2005/02/09
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IRC [09:51] <siddfinch> *grr* that is why my email wasn't showing up on the mailing list ... my home dsl's reverse dns was ``misassigned'' *grr*
IRC [10:08] <martinh> smack around your ISP.
IRC [10:14] <siddfinch> worldcomm? I already did
IRC [10:23] <martinh> of course. :->
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IRC [14:49] <jhavard> yay for questions regarding asterisk.
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IRC [16:38] <Dossy> grr. heh.
IRC [16:38] <Dossy> bot, ns_tls bug is http://aolserver.com/sf/bug/868362
IRC [16:38] <Dossy> ns_tls bug?
IRC [16:39] <cbowman> if I don't compile with purify, it runs
IRC [16:40] <Dossy> oh? that's interesting ...
IRC [16:40] <Dossy> What are you running? ACS? OpenACS? Custom code?
IRC [16:41] <cbowman> ACS on one server. Custom code on another. both are experiencing the problem.
IRC [16:41] <Dossy> wayport.net - are you one of the Wayport guys?
IRC [16:41] <cbowman> yup
IRC [16:41] <Dossy> Ah, cool. Welcome :-)
IRC [16:41] <cbowman> I'm sure you've talked to krenzer a couple of times.
IRC [16:42] <Dossy> So, you upgraded from 3.4.x (what .x, for my info?) to 3.5.11 *AND* from Sol8 to Sol9 at the same time?
IRC [16:42] <Dossy> Can you minimize the variables by only upgrading OS or upgrading AOLserver at a time?
IRC [16:43] <Dossy> And, if you're upgrading at all, could you give 4.0.10 a try to see if your code will at least run there unmodified?
IRC [16:43] <Dossy> Because, if it will, it's where you really want to be ...
IRC [16:45] <cbowman> yes...I upgraded a lot of stuff at once and the only problem (so far) is a suspected memory leak...probably not a wise choice but I did it.
IRC [16:46] <cbowman> the 3.4 version that I have in my source tree is 3.4 from 5/18/2001
IRC [16:46] <Dossy> is there a minor version on it?
IRC [16:47] <Dossy> brb in 15
IRC [16:47] <cbowman> the changelog doesn't show one. the topmost entry says: *** AOLserver 3.4 RELEASED ***
IRC [16:54] <cbowman> it appears that the init function that is supposed to be run when the libnsthread module is loaded is not being run. This is based off of this chain of emails: http://www.mail-archive.com/aolserver@listserv.aol.com/msg05437.html
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IRC [17:16] <cbowman> did the nsd.tcl format change from 3.x to 4.x? Like, should I be capable of dropping a 4.0.10 compiled version of aolserver in place of my current one and not have to change the nsd.tcl very much?
IRC [17:25] <Dossy> cbowman: Not very much at all, I hope.
IRC [17:26] <Dossy> You'll know in 5 minutes if you try. :)
IRC [17:26] <cbowman> probably more like 15...gotta recompile a few more modules to go with it.
IRC [17:26] <Dossy> cbowman: That problem has been fixed in a recent AOLserver. Not sure which version, though.
IRC [17:27] <Dossy> 1.51 (vasiljev 02-Jun-03): #if (STATIC_BUILD == 1)
IRC [17:27] <Dossy> 1.51 (vasiljev 02-Jun-03): extern void NsthreadsInit();
IRC [17:27] <Dossy> 1.51 (vasiljev 02-Jun-03): extern void NsdInit();
IRC [17:27] <Dossy> 1.51 (vasiljev 02-Jun-03): #endif
IRC [17:27] <Dossy> aolserver_v4_r0_beta_9: 1.51
IRC [17:27] <Dossy> Looks like this was fixed in 4.0.0 beta 9.
IRC [17:28] <Dossy> You could backport the fix yourself to 3.5.x if you want.
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IRC [17:28] <Dossy> Since I'm trying to strongly urge folks to upgrade to 4.x, I'm not keen on backporting ... :_)
IRC [17:28] <Dossy> (In an official release, at least.)
IRC [17:29] <cbowman> I understand that.
IRC [17:29] <Dossy> 4.0.10 nsd/nsmain.c: 117 #if (STATIC_BUILD == 1)
IRC [17:29] <Dossy> 118 NsthreadsInit();
IRC [17:29] <Dossy> 119 NsdInit();
IRC [17:29] <Dossy> 120 #endif
IRC [17:30] <Dossy> Please do give 4.0.10 a try. I'll do what I can to help you migrate if it's a matter of answering questions/etc.
IRC [17:30] <cbowman> I'm willing to move to 4.0.10, since it's pretty much as big of a jump
IRC [17:32] <Dossy> That's the right attitude. :-)
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IRC [17:32] <Dossy> Any chance I could convince you to talk to whomever at Wayport about getting approval for a case study on your use of AOLserver? :-)
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IRC [17:40] <cbowman> I'll forward your request onto the people that make that decision. Is there some specific contact info for you or the AOLserver organization that you'd like passed on?
IRC [18:01] <cbowman> would it be possible to include support for a DESTDIR variable in the aolserver make system?
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IRC [18:31] <Dossy> huh?
IRC [18:33] <cbowman> I was afraid that would be the response I'd get.
IRC [18:35] <cbowman> I have to package everything that I want to install into a system package for installation. Most of the time I can pass a path in the DESTDIR variable that would tell it to install everything with the assumption that / is actually DESTDIR.
IRC [18:36] <Dossy> Oh. When you do "make install" just do "make install AOLSERVER=/path/to/install/into"
IRC [18:36] <Dossy> When you do "make", AOLSERVER points to the source location. When you do "make install", AOLSERVER points to where to install to. I know, it's confusing: it's another thing on my agenda to "improve" ...
IRC [18:37] <Dossy> But, it IS possible, at least.
IRC [18:37] <Dossy> Does this help you at all? Did I misunderstand your ask?
IRC [18:38] <cbowman> that does help in the installation of AOLserver.
IRC [18:38] * Dossy nods.
IRC [18:38] <Dossy> Cool, great.
IRC [18:38] <cbowman> but how do you handle the modules that use the Makefile.modules?
IRC [18:38] <Dossy> Same thing, IIRC.
IRC [18:39] <cbowman> but what if the destination of the aolserver installation and the module that I'm building need to be different?
IRC [18:39] <Dossy> Oh.
IRC [18:40] <Dossy> Should still work.
IRC [18:40] <Dossy> cd to the module's dir, and do "make install AOLSERVER=/path/to/dir"
IRC [18:40] <Dossy> although, the top-level Makefile will recurse into module subdirs and do install too - hmm.
IRC [18:41] <Dossy> Generally, we install AOLserver and modules in the same place. Why not?
IRC [18:41] <Dossy> Why are you doing it differently?
IRC [18:41] <cbowman> I think I had an issue with the Makefile.module including the Makefile.global and not being able to find it.
IRC [18:41] <cbowman> they will be in the same place in the end
IRC [18:41] <Dossy> 4.0.10 source?
IRC [18:41] <Dossy> I think this was a problem I "fixed" in 4.0.9 or so.
IRC [18:41] <Dossy> When I was hacking on nsjk2.
IRC [18:41] <cbowman> I'm going through and trying again from a clean slate using the AOLSERVER variable as you described.
IRC [18:42] <Dossy> And dealing with our internal build machinery.
IRC [18:42] * Dossy nods. Give it a try, let me know what's wrong.
IRC [18:42] <Dossy> If it's still "broken" lets figure out why and file a bug on it.
IRC [18:43] <cbowman> We've packaged each individual module up as a different package, so that's why I need the different destinations for install.
IRC [18:43] <cbowman> sounds good to me.
IRC [18:43] <cbowman> I'm building nsopenssl right now
IRC [18:46] <Dossy> OK.
IRC [18:46] <Dossy> it's not like each module delivers THAT many files anyway.
IRC [18:46] <Dossy> your packaging system should just pick up the .so's and .tcl files from the module build dir :)
IRC [18:46] <Dossy> (cop out answer.)
IRC [18:48] <cbowman> yes. you are correct. it's only a couple of files and the top level Makefile could do the right thing. I don't like doing that because upgrading the source (if it happened to change the files it installed) would be more work =)
IRC [18:52] <cbowman> ok. the results are that it is trying to find the Makefiles.module in the wrong place, so it won't install.
IRC [18:59] <Dossy> ugh.
IRC [18:59] <Dossy> yeah, the whole thing needs more work.
IRC [18:59] <Dossy> still, you should still be able to get done what you need to in the meantime by manually copying the files where they need to go :)
IRC [19:00] <cbowman> yup
IRC [19:09] <cbowman> welp. It's an hour past quiting time, so I'm leaving the office. I'll keep you up to date on how things go.
IRC [19:09] <Dossy> cool.
IRC [19:10] <Dossy> you know where to find us :)
IRC [19:10] <cbowman> I do now =)
IRC [19:11] <Dossy> nod. folks are generally here at all sorts of hours.
IRC [19:11] <Dossy> ok, ttyl.
IRC [19:11] <cbowman> aight. bye.
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