AOLserver Chat Logs

2004/07/19

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IRC [00:49] <FreeBSD> help me
IRC [00:49] <jcollins> ok
IRC [00:49] <FreeBSD> can anyone help me out
IRC [00:49] <FreeBSD> ?
IRC [00:50] <jcollins> ok
IRC [00:50] <jcollins> What do you need help with?
IRC [00:50] <FreeBSD> i want
IRC [00:50] <FreeBSD> to make aol work
IRC [00:50] <FreeBSD> on linux
IRC [00:50] <jcollins> Hrm. I don't think it does.
IRC [00:51] <jcollins> haha
IRC [00:51] <jcollins> You mean AOLserver?
IRC [00:51] <FreeBSD> no
IRC [00:52] <FreeBSD> i me internet
IRC [00:52] <jcollins> Yeah, good luck but this is probably the wrong place to ask questions. This channel is for AOLserver (the webserver).
IRC [00:52] <jcollins> Maybe google for "AOL linux" and see that they brings up.
IRC [00:54] <FreeBSD> ok
IRC [00:54] <FreeBSD> hey where can i download gcc stuff
IRC [00:54] <FreeBSD> ?
IRC [00:56] <jhavard> ftp.gnu.org
IRC [00:56] <jhavard> and any of its mirrors
IRC [01:03] <FreeBSD> is
IRC [01:03] <FreeBSD> there any
IRC [01:03] <FreeBSD> .rpm
IRC [01:03] <FreeBSD> for suse
IRC [01:03] <FreeBSD> ?
IRC [01:04] <jhavard> that shold be included with suse.
IRC [01:35] <FreeBSD> its
IRC [01:35] <FreeBSD> nop
IRC [01:35] <FreeBSD> its not
IRC [01:35] <FreeBSD> y look
IRC [01:35] <FreeBSD> on the cd
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IRC [08:24] <Dossy> morning.
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IRC [08:27] <Dossy> hey, pat :)
IRC [08:27] <Dossy> pat, is your bug for real still: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=500430&group_id=3152&atid=103152
AIM [08:27] <POLearyUK> yep
IRC [08:27] <Dossy> got a test case?
AIM [08:28] <POLearyUK> not since i fixed it a couple of years ago
AIM [08:28] <POLearyUK> :-)
AIM [08:28] <POLearyUK> was responsible for kw redirect script taking down aol.co.uk on 3.4 couple of years ago
IRC [08:28] <Dossy> what's odd is that you claim the "fix" is just to not return TCL_ERROR
IRC [08:29] <Dossy> but I can't see how that causes a "libthread crash" -
AIM [08:29] <POLearyUK> it was the loging that caused the crash
IRC [08:29] <Dossy> spawning lots of threads, and then evaluating a tcl script with "error boo" doesn't "crash" anything
IRC [08:29] <Dossy> bug in nslog under load/
IRC [08:29] <Dossy> ?
AIM [08:29] <POLearyUK> looked like it
IRC [08:29] <Dossy> OK. As I thought, the problem isn't in the actual dns.c code
AIM [08:29] <POLearyUK> but nslog was the same for accesses
AIM [08:30] <POLearyUK> so i couldn't track it down any furture, was asked to rewrite the host lookup as a seperate module
IRC [08:30] <Dossy> i should do some tests to load test nslog
IRC [08:30] <Dossy> that's silly
IRC [08:31] <Dossy> "we don't care what the problem is, just duplicate some existing functionality ..."
AIM [08:31] <POLearyUK> heck just look at any of our frontned servers- enough errors there to bring down a ship mate :-D
IRC [08:31] <Dossy> right, that's why I find it hard to believe that there's a problem in nslog OR ns_gethostbyaddr under load.
IRC [08:31] <Dossy> which is why I was hoping for a reproducible test case.
AIM [08:31] <POLearyUK> it seems ok- was fine under linux, but what ever patch ops sec asked us to install caused the whole thing to go nuts
IRC [08:32] <Dossy> because I *know* we do a LOT of logging and we don't have frontends crashing all the time
IRC [08:32] <Dossy> and, i can easily test ns_gethostbyaddr under load right now
AIM [08:33] <POLearyUK> testing?
AIM [08:33] <POLearyUK> weird
AIM [08:34] <POLearyUK> hey this thing won't let me send urls
IRC [08:34] <Dossy> what do you mean?
AIM [08:35] <POLearyUK> are you seeing any urls when in the last sec or 2
AIM [08:35] <POLearyUK> it's an aim thing not the irc bridge
IRC [08:39] <Dossy> oh
IRC [08:39] * Dossy shrugs
IRC [08:39] <Dossy> no, i haven't
AIM [08:42] <POLearyUK> h t t p : / / karma / cgi-bin/ load_v2 / configure.pl
AIM [08:42] <POLearyUK> hmm silly thing
IRC [08:42] <Dossy> what the heck
AIM [08:43] <POLearyUK> sorry- only way i could send a url- you can see it when you come into work it's a load tester i wrote
IRC [08:45] <Dossy> what happens when you send the url as is?
AIM [08:45] <POLearyUK> nothing, it doesn't appear as though i sent a thing
IRC [08:50] <Dossy> hmm
IRC [08:51] * leff is back (gone 63:18:39)
AIM [08:51] <POLearyUK> hey dossy fancy a trip to the UK on wednesday?
IRC [08:51] <Dossy> um, this wednesday? hold on - brb
IRC [08:56] <Dossy> ok - back. what're you thinking?
IRC [08:56] <Dossy> I think I heard that Jim and Julio are in the UK now?
AIM [08:57] <POLearyUK> was talking to jim on thursday, he was in dublin, he's supposed to be in the uk on the 1st/2nd
AIM [08:57] <POLearyUK> which is when i'm in va
IRC [08:58] <Dossy> haha
IRC [08:58] <Dossy> argh
IRC [08:58] <Dossy> forget which
AIM [08:59] <POLearyUK> hee hee- but if you could wing it- am having a leaving do on wednesday; i think schro is here
IRC [08:59] <Dossy> ahh
IRC [08:59] <Dossy> dubious at best --
AIM [09:00] <POLearyUK> hee hee
IRC [09:00] <Dossy> so, you got your VEEEEESA? :)
IRC [09:00] <Dossy> you gonna smuggle potatos in your shorts and give airport security a surprise?
AIM [09:00] <POLearyUK> yep- can't believe they gave it to me
AIM [09:00] <POLearyUK> haha]
AIM [09:01] <POLearyUK> brb- got to sort out some people's cvs access
IRC [09:01] <Dossy> "excuse me sir, why are there potatoes in your shorts?" "oh, to distract you from finding the C4 and razor blades in my hand-luggage. now, ask me to strip and grope me and let me on my way, please?'
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IRC [09:13] <Dossy> hey RSeeger.
AIM [09:14] <RSeeger00> heya
IRC [09:14] <Dossy> at home today?
AIM [09:15] <RSeeger00> Yup
AIM [09:15] <RSeeger00> Went out and bought a ps/2 to usb converter last night, so I can type again :)
IRC [09:19] <Dossy> haha
IRC [09:19] <Dossy> woo
IRC [09:20] <Dossy> hey btw, looks like I'm going to go down to Dulles this week
AIM [09:20] <RSeeger00> Yeah, its much nicer... I hate that stupid laptop keyboard
AIM [09:20] <RSeeger00> Oh? What for?
IRC [09:22] <Dossy> meet with Jim to discuss the code changes he's been sitting on :)
AIM [09:22] <RSeeger00> Ah
IRC [09:22] <Dossy> ah crap, didn't do my teamplay last week. better do it now :)
AIM [09:23] <RSeeger00> slacker ;p
IRC [09:23] <Dossy> heh
IRC [09:23] <Dossy> what DID I do last week?
AIM [09:24] <RSeeger00> Close lots of bugs in aolserver and put oout a new release :)
IRC [09:25] <Dossy> yeah
IRC [09:28] <jhavard> and got the aim gateway working better
IRC [09:28] <jhavard> and laughed at me for not reading.
AIM [09:29] <RSeeger00> True... getting more aolserver users able to chat together is helpful to the server in general
AIM [09:30] <POLearyUK> dossy work load- close bugs, write aim/irc bot, take the micky out of patrick.... job's a good one :-P
IRC [09:31] <jhavard> micky out of patrick? Wha?
IRC [09:31] <Dossy> jhavard: So, you're another OpenACS convert, huh?
IRC [09:31] <jhavard> yep.
IRC [09:32] <jhavard> 1) it does everything I need
IRC [09:32] <jhavard> 2) it does more than I need
IRC [09:32] <jhavard> 3) despite being a huge bundle of code, it's freakin' fast.
IRC [09:32] <jhavard> 4) It is quite speedy
IRC [09:32] <Dossy> it's fast?
IRC [09:32] <Dossy> hmm.
IRC [09:33] <jhavard> Compared to what I've been using, yes.
IRC [09:33] <Dossy> hmm, true
IRC [09:36] <jhavard> I'll have to see how it works when I move all of my sites to it.
AIM [09:36] <POLearyUK> what have you been using up until now?
IRC [09:38] <jhavard> Well, originally custom written stuff in php. Went from postgresql, to mysql, back to postgresql, then ldap, then got lazy and started using postnuke and then ez publish.
IRC [09:38] <jhavard> ez publish is about as large as openacs.
AIM [09:39] <POLearyUK> all of which use page to db connections. nothing that caches db queries
IRC [09:39] <jhavard> yep.
IRC [09:40] <jhavard> well, I was about to start on my own code that would do caching, but then I remembered aolserver. I decided to give it a try.
IRC [09:40] <jhavard> Here we are two weeks later.
AIM [09:40] <POLearyUK> we use a lot of nv/nsv's to cache results of db queries-
IRC [09:41] <jhavard> And I was writing my own blog code for aolserver up until friday. Figured I'd give oacs a try.
IRC [09:42] <jhavard> however, now that I'm looking at its ram requirements, might not be such a good idea to run it for 15 sites.
IRC [09:47] <Dossy> haha.
IRC [09:47] <Dossy> SF trackers are broken, again.
IRC [09:47] <Dossy> the summary says 62 open bugs. meanwhile, you query for only open bugs and it gives you 44 back.
AIM [09:49] <POLearyUK> anyone know off the top of their heads what SIG signal 6 is?
AIM [09:50] <POLearyUK> in nsd that is (like tcl panic or something?)
IRC [09:50] <Dossy> 6) SIGABRT
IRC [09:50] <Dossy> anything that leads to an abort()
AIM [09:50] <POLearyUK> hmm ok
AIM [09:52] <POLearyUK> brb
IRC [10:56] <Dossy> *drops a pin*
AIM [10:57] <POLearyUK> still holds onto grenade though
IRC [11:28] <Dossy> quiet day.
IRC [11:28] <jhavard> no.
IRC [11:28] <Dossy> must be Monday.
IRC [11:29] <jhavard> No it isn't.
IRC [11:29] <Dossy> It isn't?
IRC [11:29] <jhavard> Nope.
IRC [11:29] <Dossy> How so?
AIM [11:30] <POLearyUK> quiet or a monday?
AIM [11:30] <POLearyUK> because if it's not monday i wanna go back to bed
IRC [11:30] <jhavard> I really need to eat breakfast. I don't do shit at work until I get some food in me.
IRC [11:35] <jhavard> ooh, most excellent. I have to oacs sites setup. As soon as both of them have gone through the wonderful loading process, I get a wonderful "nsd in malloc(): error: allocation failed"
IRC [11:39] <Dossy> haha
IRC [11:40] <Dossy> lovely.
IRC [11:41] <jhavard> So much for using oacs.
IRC [11:41] <Dossy> /join #openacs, see if they can help
IRC [11:41] * Dossy nods. OACS is too "kitchen-sinky" for me.
IRC [11:42] <Dossy> HEPA SPAM FILTER.
IRC [11:42] <Dossy> sorry.
IRC [11:42] <Dossy> random outburst.
AIM [11:52] <POLearyUK> purple
IRC [11:52] <Dossy> grr. why must the palm hotsync be so poorly designed.
IRC [11:52] <Dossy> you'd think after years now, they'd implement a better sync system than these goofy palm "conduits'
AIM [11:52] <POLearyUK> haha- you expecting something nice like soap? :-P
IRC [11:52] <jhavard> My clothes smell like smoke.
IRC [11:53] <jhavard> And where there's smoke,
IRC [11:53] <jhavard> there's fam
IRC [11:53] <jhavard> fajitas!
IRC [11:53] <jhavard> No I'm not on drugs.
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IRC [11:57] <Dossy> morning, cd34.
IRC [11:57] <Dossy> brb
IRC [11:57] <cd34> just barely :) Good morning
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AIM [12:15] <POLearyUK> hey dossy ever hear of a 566 error?
IRC [12:20] <Dossy> 566?
IRC [12:20] <Dossy> is this a trick question?
IRC [12:20] <Dossy> no - sounds like a turboweb proxy error
AIM [12:20] <POLearyUK> someone just asked me
566 Response HTTP Version Unsupported
IRC [12:20] <Dossy> not an aolserver error, for sure
AIM [12:20] <POLearyUK> no i think it's proxy as well
AIM [12:21] <POLearyUK> trying to get better answers
IRC [12:21] <Dossy> pat - so, when do you start in VA?
AIM [12:21] <POLearyUK> 2nd of aug
IRC [12:22] <leff> Patrick, are you moving to VA?
IRC [12:22] <Dossy> ah, i'll be on vacay then. hmm
AIM [12:23] <POLearyUK> i don't know.... am supposed to turn up in dulles on the second... i don't really know where i'm going
IRC [12:23] <jcollins> how many aolers here?
IRC [12:23] <Dossy> jcollins: a bunch? :)
IRC [12:23] <leff> Patrick, full-time or just on a temporary business trip?
AIM [12:24] <POLearyUK> full time
IRC [12:24] <leff> kick ass.
IRC [12:24] <leff> let me know when... I'll pay a visit. :)
IRC [12:24] <Dossy> yeah, pat's going to be working for Mr King :)
IRC [12:24] <Dossy> mwhahaha :)
IRC [12:24] <leff> w00t
IRC [12:24] <leff> sucker.
AIM [12:24] <POLearyUK> if you see me on the road looking for a ride, holding a sign "AOL or bust" then please stop :-)
IRC [12:24] <Dossy> there's 4 AOLers here at the moment, it seems.
IRC [12:25] <Dossy> ... laughing?
IRC [12:25] <Dossy> pat, the trick is to show some thigh.
AIM [12:25] <POLearyUK> dossy i've seen your legs man... i'd accelerate a little more in your case :-P
IRC [12:26] <Dossy> that's life :)
IRC [12:26] <Dossy> I KNEW you were checking my legs out! HA!
IRC [12:26] <Dossy> :P
AIM [12:26] <POLearyUK> haha *cough*
IRC [12:26] <leff> well, I guess this is my cue to get the hell outta here.
IRC [12:26] <leff> :)
IRC [12:27] <Dossy> ok. WeSync is crap. God I hope the company that bought them really improves it.
IRC [12:27] <Dossy> haha!
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IRC [12:39] <frodoroo1> is 4.0.7 ready for production?
IRC [12:44] <Dossy> I'd say so - I think I'm going to tag it now
IRC [12:44] <Dossy> Unless anyone ELSE has any server-crashing bugs they haven't told me about?
IRC [12:45] <Dossy> Speak up now, please. :-)
IRC [12:46] <Dossy> of course, it's lunch-time ...
IRC [12:46] <Dossy> OK, 2 PM US/Eastern, I'm tagging 4.0.7 unless anyone has a reason that it shouldn't happen.
IRC [12:46] <cd34> or forever hold your peace?
IRC [12:46] <frodoroo1> sounds good to me :)
AIM [12:46] <POLearyUK> question- should the daemon die if it receives a tcl_panic error?
IRC [12:46] <Dossy> yes.
IRC [12:46] <Dossy> absolutely.
IRC [12:47] <Dossy> the follow-up question: should the server call Tcl_Panic() for specific case 'X'? Maybe, maybe not.
AIM [12:47] <POLearyUK> shoot- tdom issue tcl_panic if it can't parse some characters
IRC [12:47] <Dossy> Tcl_Panic()? ?? you're kidding
AIM [12:47] <POLearyUK> nope
IRC [12:47] <Dossy> man, I'm really not liking tDOM much.
IRC [12:47] <Dossy> it's a memory pig to begin with ...
AIM [12:48] <POLearyUK> yep- but it's better than dom
AIM [12:48] <POLearyUK> or have i mixed them up again
IRC [12:48] <Dossy> you mean tclxml?
AIM [12:48] <POLearyUK> which one uses expat?
IRC [12:49] <Dossy> nsxml
IRC [12:49] <Dossy> i'm keen to see if TclXML works in AOLserver out-of-the-box. Can also use the GNOME libxml2 library.
AIM [12:49] <POLearyUK> hmm -ok
IRC [12:50] <Dossy> and, it seems ZoneAlarm is turning to crap on my machine. time to uninstall it, perhaps.
IRC [12:53] <leff> The biggest problem I have with tdom is that you have to explicitly clean up your dom objects.
IRC [12:53] <leff> you don't do that: memory leak city.
IRC [12:53] <Dossy> have we gotten to the point of installing scheduled procs that sweep left-over tDOM objects, yet? :)
AIM [12:54] <POLearyUK> yeah, many cases of developers calling functions dying, and not capturing it, leaving domDoc in memory
IRC [12:54] <leff> I have so many things I could say about proper error-handling here, but I'm not going to.
IRC [12:54] <leff> Because I don't want my head to explode.
IRC [12:54] <Dossy> it'd be easier to do an "at_close { foreach p [info procs dom*] { $p delete } }
IRC [12:55] <Dossy> but that's kind of prejudiced -- the day someone implements a proc called "domestic_foobar" it'll get whacked too :)
AIM [12:55] <POLearyUK> haha
IRC [12:55] <Dossy> grr, SERA is crapping out. god damnit.
IRC [12:55] <Dossy> good for nothing lousy Cisco VPN solution garbage. arghgh
AIM [13:00] <POLearyUK> ahh here is the thing causing panics
AIM [13:00] <POLearyUK> tcldom_AppendEscaped: can only handle UTF-8 chars up to 3 bytes length
AIM [13:04] <POLearyUK> i'm a going home- hungry and tired ttyl :-)
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IRC [13:24] <frodoroo1> Dossy: do you have a link for the 4.0.7 tarball or should I use cvs to get it?
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IRC [14:11] <Dossy> 4.0.7 isn't out yet
IRC [14:11] <Dossy> I'm about to tag and release it, unless anyone has objections.
IRC [14:12] <leff> I object.
IRC [14:12] <leff> just kidding.
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IRC [14:13] <leff> w00t. shmooved in the hizzouse.
AIM [14:13] <shmooved> true dat
AIM [14:13] <shmooved> aimircbridge - dope
AIM [14:13] <shmooved> sup?
IRC [14:14] <leff> what brings you in these parts? :)
IRC [14:14] <leff> Time doesn't use AOL products.
IRC [14:14] <leff> :)
AIM [14:14] <shmooved> lol
AIM [14:14] <DossyNJ> heh :)
AIM [14:14] <shmooved> don't get me started in a public chat ;-)
AIM [14:14] <DossyNJ> I figured since shmooved has been involved a lot lately, it's only right that he be on the chat too :)
AIM [14:14] <shmooved> dossy invited me, i'm guessing to discuss the issue i raised
AIM [14:14] <DossyNJ> no - just so you know about the chat
AIM [14:14] <shmooved> i love aolserver
IRC [14:15] <leff> oh here we go...
AIM [14:15] <DossyNJ> I actually need to run out and have my car fixed - won't shift out of first gear today.
AIM [14:15] <DossyNJ> I also want to know if anyone has a reason why 4.0.7 shouldn't get tagged now.
AIM [14:15] <shmooved> i gotta jet to a 2:30 meeting soon as well :-(
AIM [14:15] <DossyNJ> shmooved: feel free to idle here
AIM [14:15] <DossyNJ> IM the bot "invite" and it'll send you an invite to the chat.
AIM [14:15] <shmooved> any thought to my request for NsInfoInit() to not cause an exit
AIM [14:16] <DossyNJ> yes - it's probably OK to make it a soft error, but if DNS isn't configured right on the host, is it a good idea to let the server start up anyway?
AIM [14:16] <shmooved> why not
AIM [14:16] <shmooved> i mean, it should log something about it
IRC [14:16] <leff> depends completely on the app
AIM [14:16] <DossyNJ> I'm still puzzled about your VPN issue and the hostname changing -- the VPN client should NOT be changing the string that's returned by gethostname()
AIM [14:16] <shmooved> it's not
AIM [14:16] <shmooved> gethostbyname works
AIM [14:17] <DossyNJ> so, if the hostname ISN'T changing, then you should be able to put an entry into /etc/hosts for it
AIM [14:17] <shmooved> it's the reverse lookup of that host name that fails
AIM [14:17] <DossyNJ> reverse lookup? you mean forward ..
AIM [14:17] <shmooved> whatever ;-)
AIM [14:17] <DossyNJ> there's forward lookup done from hostname -> ip
AIM [14:17] <DossyNJ> you can "make that work" by putting an entry in /etc/hosts for your hostname.
AIM [14:17] <shmooved> that's the one that fails for me
AIM [14:17] <DossyNJ> even "127.0.0.1 myhostname" works
AIM [14:17] <DossyNJ> I tested this thoroughly on Linux at least
AIM [14:18] <shmooved> right, except i'd have to do that every time i got a new hostname from dhcp - not ideal
AIM [14:18] <DossyNJ> "127.0.0.1 myhostname localhost" ...
AIM [14:18] <DossyNJ> you don't get a new hostname from DHCP - or at least, you shouldn't be
AIM [14:18] <DossyNJ> you get a new IP address, but not hostname
IRC [14:18] <leff> which will reverse to a different hostname.
AIM [14:18] <DossyNJ> yes, that's fine
AIM [14:18] <DossyNJ> aolserver startup uses gethostname() to get the hostname
AIM [14:18] <DossyNJ> then does a forward-lookup for the IP
AIM [14:18] <DossyNJ> it doesn't get the IP then do a reverse lookup to determine the hostname
AIM [14:19] <shmooved> gethostbyname returns something like: pcpnnnnpc.itg.timeinc.com
AIM [14:19] <DossyNJ> what does /bin/hostname return?
AIM [14:19] <shmooved> it returns pcpnnnnpc.itg.timeinc.com
AIM [14:19] <DossyNJ> for real? what platform/os?
AIM [14:19] <shmooved> it's how they have the office network configured here
AIM [14:19] <DossyNJ> /bin/hostname != gethostbyname()
AIM [14:19] <shmooved> we're dhcp, but they dole out these fake host names
AIM [14:19] <shmooved> no, they are the same
AIM [14:20] <shmooved> all platforms
AIM [14:20] <DossyNJ> /bin/hostname uses gethostname(). gethostbyname() uses libresolv to do dns queries.
AIM [14:20] <DossyNJ> there's absolutely no DNS happening in gethostname()
AIM [14:20] <shmooved> no i know
AIM [14:20] <shmooved> the issue is that when i'm on vpn, the dns lookup of that host name (pcpnnnnpc.itg.timeinc.com) fails
AIM [14:21] <shmooved> it has to do the the dns servers. the aol office dns servers no nothing of that host name.
AIM [14:21] <shmooved> when not on vpn, everything works
AIM [14:21] <shmooved> see my problem? :-)
AIM [14:21] <DossyNJ> so, in your /etc/init.d, set your hostname to something fixed
AIM [14:21] <DossyNJ> then, let your dhclient not set your hostname.
AIM [14:22] <DossyNJ> if you want to know what the dhcp server thinks your hostname should be, request a reverse dns lookup of your IP
AIM [14:22] <shmooved> right, and it returns that host name
AIM [14:22] <shmooved> this is obviously a corner case...
AIM [14:23] <shmooved> ...but still, why would you prevent the server from starting in that case?
AIM [14:23] <DossyNJ> I'm always wary of letting servers start if they're not properly configured.
AIM [14:23] <DossyNJ> Because then, when other application errors crop up, you don't think to look at the basics.
AIM [14:23] <DossyNJ> Because, well, if the server started up, it aids troubleshooting not to have to start from square one.
AIM [14:24] <DossyNJ> i.e., if the machine is up, I assume it's plugged in. if the server started up, I assume all essential services were available at least when the server started up ...
AIM [14:24] <shmooved> agreed, but it seems odd that we wouldn't let the server start up in this case. I may never use ns_info hostname or ns_info address
AIM [14:25] <shmooved> i guess i see your point though....
AIM [14:25] <DossyNJ> maybe it stems from my years of doing apache, NES and vignette sysadmin work ... but troubleshooting app. problems when it's a network/env issue is really, really frustrating.
AIM [14:25] <shmooved> what i really need to do is get the network ops guys to fix things so i don't have to use bloddy sera
AIM [14:25] <DossyNJ> heh
AIM [14:26] <shmooved> just sucks cause there isn't a way for me to start the server up localhost by only editing the server config - that seems odd to me
AIM [14:26] <DossyNJ> or, as I said, configure your hostname to something you know that won't change, stick it in /etc/hosts, and call it a day.
AIM [14:26] <shmooved> why not add a configuration option to override?
AIM [14:26] <DossyNJ> there actually is/should be: -b
AIM [14:26] <shmooved> what's the harm in letting me explicitly set the hostname and address?
AIM [14:27] <shmooved> i tried that - didn't seem to work
AIM [14:27] <DossyNJ> i'm actually thinking the first IP in the -b list should indicate the hostname/address returned by ns_info
AIM [14:27] <DossyNJ> no, it doesn't work
AIM [14:27] <DossyNJ> yet.
AIM [14:27] <shmooved> i don't -b sets nsconf.hostname and address
AIM [14:27] <DossyNJ> what I'm saying is: I think the correct fix is to make -b set nsconf.{hostname, address
AIM [14:27] <shmooved> if you made that change, i'd be happy, and would shut up. :-)
AIM [14:27] <shmooved> agree
AIM [14:27] <DossyNJ> I don't necessarily want to introduce a new command-line arg.
AIM [14:27] <shmooved> -b seems to make sense to me
AIM [14:27] <DossyNJ> OK, I'll work that in tonight. Mind filing an RFE? :)
AIM [14:28] <shmooved> not at all. i'll do that after this meeting
AIM [14:28] <shmooved> on sf right?
AIM [14:28] <DossyNJ> yup
AIM [14:28] <shmooved> right on
AIM [14:28] <shmooved> gotta run, but definitly ping me next time you have this. i'll add to my calendar as well
AIM [14:28] <DossyNJ> thanks for thinking it through with us :)
AIM [14:28] <DossyNJ> sorry I made the change :P
AIM [14:28] <shmooved> not a problem
AIM [14:28] <DossyNJ> this chat is perpetual/ongoing
AIM [14:28] <DossyNJ> there's different people here all the time
AIM [14:29] <DossyNJ> pop in whenever.
AIM [14:29] <shmooved> right on
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IRC [14:47] <talli> hey Dossy some of your own AOL guys were asking when AOLserver is going to become http 1.1 compliant
IRC [14:47] <talli> is there an answer to that?
IRC [15:33] <jhavard> talli: that's what he was working on for 4.0.6, iirc
IRC [15:33] <talli> ah, cool
IRC [15:35] <jhavard> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=391863
AIM [15:44] <RSeeger00> There were some decisions to make certain aspects non-compliant, iiuc
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AIM [16:35] <RSeeger00> LazyLoader = evil /sigh
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IRC [20:31] <Dossy> ...
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IRC [20:37] <Dossy> howdy.
IRC [20:42] <AndyPiskorski> Does ns_logroll work on Windows?
IRC [20:43] <Dossy> it should.
IRC [20:43] <AndyPiskorski> I get 'Permission denied' failures when ns_logroll tries to rename the file. Because Windows doesn't let files be shared the same way Unix does, maybe?
IRC [20:44] <AndyPiskorski> Hm.
IRC [20:47] <Dossy> Hmmm, doubtful?
IRC [20:47] <Dossy> Does the process have permission to write to the log dir after start-up?
IRC [20:47] <Dossy> Or, maybe it's a "windows sucks because it can't touch files that are open" nonsense
IRC [20:49] <AndyPiskorski> Yes. It's all running as my login user...
IRC [20:49] <Dossy> Hmm.
IRC [20:49] <Dossy> hold on ..
IRC [20:49] <AndyPiskorski> Yeah, that's what I was wondering. AKA, has anyone SEEN it work correctly? If so, then it's probably NOT The "Windows is lousy for open files" business.
IRC [21:25] <Dossy> hmmm
IRC [21:28] <bartt> Thanks Dossy
IRC [21:31] <AndyPiskorski> where is the fd for the open access log kept? I don't see it recorded anywhere.
IRC [21:47] <Dossy> thanks ?
IRC [22:13] <Dossy> Log.fd ?
IRC [22:15] <Dossy> Andy, you there?
AIM [22:39] <DossyNJ> ?
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IRC [22:45] <AndyPiskorski> Sorry Dossy, I'm here now.
IRC [22:46] <AndyPiskorski> I filed this:
IRC [22:46] <AndyPiskorski> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=994224&group_id=3152&atid=103152
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IRC [23:47] <Dossy> nnames *
IRC [23:49] <AndyPiskorski> what?
IRC [23:49] <Dossy> sorry, getting ready to head to bed :)
IRC [23:49] <Dossy> saw the bug you logged - need to get a win32 build going here.
IRC [23:50] <AndyPiskorski> I mean, was "nnames *" supposed to be about that? I'm guessing just a typo.
IRC [23:56] <Dossy> no, unrelated.
IRC [23:56] <Dossy> it was meant to be "/names *'
IRC [23:56] <Dossy> argh.
IRC [23:56] <Dossy> forget it
IRC [23:56] <Dossy> thanks bot.