2004/08/22
IRC [02:36] <archiware> alive again
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IRC [04:39] <erph> Dossy: zoro2 is Wojciech Kocjan ;)
IRC [04:40] <zoro2> am I famous or something? ;)
IRC [04:40] <zoro2> am I famous?
IRC [04:40] <zoro2> sorry my first time on irc with miranda :)
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IRC [04:59] <archiware> zoro, alias Wojciech?
IRC [04:59] <archiware> Yes, Wojciech, you are famous :-)
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IRC [05:18] <archiware_> hey, this works from chatzilla as well?
IRC [05:19] <archiware_> this is way cool. I must trash this overloaded balooned bloated kvirc
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IRC [05:20] <archiware> howdy again
IRC [05:25] <archiware> good, now that we have some idea how this stuff works, lets idle a bit here
IRC [05:40] <archiware> well, it seems that this now works as I expect
IRC [05:41] <archiware> one nice thing I miss from AIM are smiley-shortcuts
IRC [06:57] <Dossy> morning
IRC [06:58] <Dossy> erph: yes, did you convince zoro to join us on IRC?
IRC [07:16] <archiware> no, i think he made this on his own accord after reading our exchange, i suppose :-)
IRC [07:17] <archiware> that, is, im not erph, but i'm just guessing :-)
IRC [07:43] <archiware> dossy: your question: How large is the ktrace output? Can you put it up on a web site?
IRC [07:43] <archiware> ktrace is binary format and you need the macosx to read it
IRC [07:44] <archiware> unless you have a mac box, it won't bring you much to get hold on the ktrace.out file
IRC [07:52] <Dossy> I have access to a OSX machine, indirectly.
IRC [07:53] <Dossy> And presumably, he could send the actual ASCII dumped format.
IRC [07:53] <archiware> ok. I just wanted to give a hint in case you're not aware of that
IRC [07:54] <Dossy> thanks -- I forgot about that, but would have remembered once I saw the file was binary :)
IRC [07:54] <Dossy> are you running nsopenssl 3 in production anywhere
IRC [07:54] <archiware> nope
IRC [07:54] <Dossy> ugh :)
IRC [07:54] <Dossy> wish I could reproduce this problem ...
IRC [07:55] <Dossy> I might hack up openssl to send some bogus packets or randomly close() so i can try and test this ...
IRC [07:55] <archiware> anything from scott?
IRC [07:55] <Dossy> not about this issue
IRC [08:03] <Dossy> Time to go see what my kids are doing ...
IRC [08:04] <archiware> time to go see what my long-running tests are doing and get something to eat :-)
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IRC [08:04] <zoro2> hello again
IRC [08:04] <archiware> ah, wojchiech, howdy!
IRC [08:05] <zoro2> :)
IRC [08:05] <archiware> you did'nt expect that, right?
IRC [08:05] <zoro2> right
IRC [08:06] <archiware> well, life is full of surprises :-)
IRC [08:08] <zoro2> right
IRC [08:14] <Dossy> hey zoro :)
IRC [08:15] <zoro2> hello dossy
IRC [08:15] <Dossy> zoro, erph is a fan of yours it seems :)
IRC [08:15] <Dossy> Boy, soon this chat will have more Polish people than not :)
IRC [08:15] <zoro2> ;)
IRC [08:16] <zoro2> wow, I'll have to print and sign my photos for the fans
IRC [08:16] <Dossy> definitely! :)
IRC [08:16] <Dossy> Glad you and Zoran are now both on the chat, though.
IRC [08:16] <archiware> I'm not polish. Just FYI :-)
IRC [08:17] <zoro2> :)
IRC [08:17] <zoro2> yes yes
IRC [08:17] <zoro2> I remember, Zoran is not a polish name
IRC [08:17] <archiware> am i?
IRC [08:17] <archiware> it is not
IRC [08:18] <archiware> It would have to be Wasziljevicz to be polish, right -)
IRC [08:18] <zoro2> Wasylewicz
IRC [08:18] <archiware> ah...
IRC [08:18] <zoro2> or Wasyljewicz
IRC [08:18] <zoro2> we don't have V and SZ would not sound nice here
IRC [08:18] <archiware> even better, LOL
IRC [08:19] <archiware> I will attach this to my business card as soon as we get some polish distrbutors
IRC [08:21] <archiware> in case you all ask yourself: what is *he* doing here sunday afternoon...
IRC [08:21] <zoro2> he = zoran?
IRC [08:21] <zoro2> ;)
IRC [08:22] <zoro2> or he = "you all"? :)
IRC [08:22] <archiware> i'm fyling to japan tomorrow and desperately trying to finish new revision before I leave
IRC [08:22] <archiware> that is, new rev of our prod.
IRC [08:22] <archiware> in between, i'm trying to familiarize myself with chatzilla :-)
IRC [08:23] <zoro2> I use miranda, quite nice
IRC [08:23] <archiware> he = zoran
IRC [08:23] <archiware> well. I'm on linux...
IRC [08:23] <zoro2> and try to figure out how in the world can I synchronize contact books between my symbian phones
IRC [08:23] <zoro2> some people just can't do anything right :(
IRC [08:24] <Dossy> heh
IRC [08:24] <archiware> i have a phonebook in my head. no syncs needed: take it mostly everywhere I go.
IRC [08:24] <Dossy> zoran, you're not polish?
IRC [08:24] <Dossy> Ukranian?
IRC [08:24] <zoro2> archiware: that is correct for the people I contact at least once a month
IRC [08:24] <archiware> another try?
IRC [08:24] <zoro2> hungary?
IRC [08:24] <archiware> warmer
IRC [08:25] <archiware> at least geographically
IRC [08:25] <zoro2> but there are cases where I call people once a year - shitty problem :)
IRC [08:25] <Dossy> Czech?
IRC [08:25] <archiware> ok. croatian.
IRC [08:25] <Dossy> You're going to Japan? How often do you go?
IRC [08:25] <Dossy> Croatian -- neat.
IRC [08:25] <archiware> well every couple of months
IRC [08:25] <Dossy> heh, I only go to Japan every 8-10 years :P
IRC [08:26] <archiware> I'm great fan of the land of the rising sun.
IRC [08:26] <archiware> besides we're doing good business there
IRC [08:27] <archiware> if all goes good, we will have a large order from Fuji :-)
IRC [08:27] <zoro2> congratulations
IRC [08:28] <Dossy> what's your product in japan?
IRC [08:28] <archiware> www.archiware.com
IRC [08:28] <Dossy> Do you speak any Japanese?
IRC [08:28] <archiware> it is a backup/archive/sync solutions for people in media industry
IRC [08:28] <archiware> Wa ta shiwa Zoran.
IRC [08:29] <Dossy> Hajimemashite. :)
IRC [08:29] <archiware> hai :-)
IRC [08:30] <Dossy> So, PresStore is webdav+tape management?
IRC [08:30] <archiware> I will have to polish it in the plane. hehe...
IRC [08:30] <archiware> no webdav.
IRC [08:30] <archiware> at least not yet.
IRC [08:30] <archiware> its all http
IRC [08:30] <zoro2> I hate it :(
IRC [08:31] <zoro2> I hate nokia
IRC [08:31] <Dossy> haha
IRC [08:31] <archiware> we have large sum of as-modules for all kinds of tape/cd/dvd/pdd disk management
IRC [08:31] <zoro2> I mean how hard should it be to send 200 calendar entries from one phone to another??
IRC [08:31] <Dossy> zoran, how many folks work for archiware?
IRC [08:31] <archiware> coupled with a nice jukebox management and even nicer web gui
IRC [08:31] <zoro2> I have to get a pirate copy of office 2000, install it, synchronize and uninstall it
IRC [08:31] <Dossy> zoro: bluetooth? IR? packet net?
IRC [08:31] <zoro2> dossy: 9210i does not have BT, and does not want to talk to p800 via ir :(
IRC [08:32] <zoro2> I can talk 9210i-pc and pc-p800 but that doesn't help
IRC [08:32] <archiware> dossy: we are 12 people with couple of freelancers
IRC [08:32] <archiware> there are three owners
IRC [08:32] <Dossy> zoro - pity :(
IRC [08:32] <archiware> and 5 employees
IRC [08:32] <zoro2> I have it in my windows address book - but don't know how to send it except for .vcf after .vcf - stupid
IRC [08:33] <Dossy> archiware: nice. sounds like you've got a good thing going.
IRC [08:33] <zoro2> ok I can send all the .vcfs via email - that's half way there :)
IRC [08:33] <archiware> have about 400 installations in europe, not counting far-east and both americas
IRC [08:33] <archiware> we are very proud of ourselves, of course .-)
IRC [08:34] <zoro2> well great
IRC [08:34] <zoro2> I'll have to send it via gprs
IRC [08:34] <zoro2> over 2 fscking meters!
IRC [08:35] <Dossy> zoro: isn't that lovely?
IRC [08:35] <zoro2> :)
IRC [08:35] <zoro2> if 9210i had gprs, then no problem - but I still don't know how to put it there
IRC [08:35] <archiware> zoro: my girlfriend calls me on mobile from the first floor (i'm in the second). Isn't that lovely?
IRC [08:36] <Dossy> zoran, maybe I can try and sell the product to some US companies, perhaps - we can talk about this some other time.
IRC [08:36] <zoro2> archiware: well yes I do that all the time
IRC [08:36] <archiware> dossy: sure.
IRC [08:36] <Dossy> time to go cook some breakfast -- talk to you all later.
IRC [08:36] <zoro2> we even send emails or icq messages from my pc to my phone when I'm in the kitchen - but it isn't 200kB
IRC [08:37] <archiware> hey, its 21'st century!
IRC [08:37] <zoro2> yeah
IRC [08:38] <zoro2> ok
IRC [08:38] <zoro2> now I read that I need to buy software to import vcfs
IRC [08:38] <zoro2> or export them all at once
IRC [08:38] <zoro2> but it's not that bad - 7 euro
IRC [08:39] <archiware> thats why it is micro$oft
IRC [08:39] <zoro2> ok, downloading the email
IRC [08:39] <zoro2> nooo
IRC [08:40] <zoro2> this isn't microsoft
IRC [08:40] <zoro2> it's fucking symbian's fault
IRC [08:40] <archiware> ah, Nokia?
IRC [08:40] <zoro2> one nokia, one sonyericsson
IRC [08:40] <zoro2> god I'd love to have Tcl with all the api access there
IRC [08:41] <archiware> ah, eric$$on :-)
IRC [08:42] <zoro2> no, actually, ericsson is better in this case
IRC [08:42] <zoro2> nokia does problems :)
IRC [08:42] <archiware> perhaps $ony .-) :-)
IRC [08:42] <zoro2> anyway
IRC [08:42] <archiware> ah, i see $okia
IRC [08:43] <zoro2> I'd like to kill all the symbian people, actually
IRC [08:43] <zoro2> one, for requiring msvc++ 6 (not .net, not msvctk, commercial product) to develop software for those phones
IRC [08:43] <zoro2> and not exposing 90% of the api to java
IRC [08:44] <archiware> I'm just too plain old-fashined in that respect.
IRC [08:44] <archiware> I use mobile to phone only.
IRC [08:44] <archiware> all this stuff is to complicated for me (im to old guy)
IRC [08:45] <zoro2> :)
IRC [08:45] <zoro2> noo
IRC [08:45] <zoro2> one of my customers is about 40-50 years old
IRC [08:45] <zoro2> and he uses xda
IRC [08:46] <zoro2> ok I'm importing it
IRC [08:46] <zoro2> isn't it a great idea NOT to handle vcf files in a phone? ;)
IRC [08:46] <archiware> just joking. I wanted to get some hice organizer-phone stuff like this new sony-ericsson. is this a good thing?
IRC [08:47] <zoro2> wait for 9500
IRC [08:47] <zoro2> it has wifi
IRC [08:47] <archiware> because?
IRC [08:47] <zoro2> and qwerty keyboard
IRC [08:47] <archiware> wifi is what?
IRC [08:47] <zoro2> I had 9210 for 2 years, then got it stolen
IRC [08:47] <zoro2> and after a year or so with P800, I decided that I want my 9210 back (and bought 9210i)
IRC [08:48] <zoro2> wifi = wireless lan
IRC [08:48] <zoro2> p800/p900/p910 has bt and can be set up to use windows' networking
IRC [08:48] <zoro2> but you need to have windows to access internet without gprs
IRC [08:48] <zoro2> with wifi, that isn't a problem anymore :)
IRC [08:48] <archiware> ist that this blue-tooth thing=
IRC [08:49] <archiware> ?
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> and with gprs, you can set up some IM client and bee online most of the time
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> no
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> bluetooth is bluetooth
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> wifi is wifi
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> bluetooth is more general purpose
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> wifi is for internet access specifically
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> and wifi has 11MBit
IRC [08:49] <archiware> urks?
IRC [08:49] <archiware> 11 Mb?
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> the way p800 allows bluetooth internet access is over a 115k2
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> www.my-symbian.com
IRC [08:49] <zoro2> find a 9500 review there
IRC [08:50] <archiware> ok. I will look ...
IRC [08:50] <zoro2> and it will have 32mb of operating memory - 9210i has 8mb, p800 has 16mb
IRC [08:50] <zoro2> 3 most important things - qwerty keyboard, wifi, operating ram
IRC [08:51] <archiware> this is a good tip. thanks for saving me some time (and money)!
IRC [08:51] <zoro2> :)
IRC [08:51] <zoro2> well, Sony's P models are very cool - but trust me it's very annoying not to have any keyboard
IRC [08:52] <archiware> yeah, no keyboard - nothing for zoran...
IRC [08:52] <archiware> i never managed to type-in any SMS so far.
IRC [08:52] <archiware> this t9 stuff is just plain killing me.
IRC [08:53] <zoro2> try typing an sms with a stylus - you'll love typing it numeric :)
IRC [08:55] <archiware> i think i will look for 9500 seriously. any news when it will come out? Christmas perhaps?
IRC [08:56] <zoro2> I guess this year
IRC [08:56] <zoro2> but nokia always had a talent for not shipping on time
IRC [08:57] <archiware> I can wait...
IRC [08:58] <zoro2> I would too
IRC [08:58] <zoro2> but my t310 got drowned by accident
IRC [08:58] <zoro2> ;)
IRC [09:00] <archiware> as said, time for me to get something to eat and look for my long-running tests...
IRC [09:00] <archiware> hopefully all is fine.
IRC [09:01] <archiware> i'll stay arround for a while, thought...
IRC [09:01] <zoro2> ok now I need to copy my ringtones :)
IRC [11:08] <erph> Dossy: i think, i did ;)
IRC [11:10] <erph> is anybody here using nssession module? are there any problems with it?
IRC [11:32] <Dossy> yeah, it's another thing i just hacked together
IRC [11:32] <Dossy> the one thing I really want to open source from AOL is the DCI-RPC stuff
IRC [11:32] <Dossy> DCI-RPC coupled with a real session management module = clustered session management. really want that
IRC [11:32] <Dossy> that, and we need a decent GUID generator
IRC [11:33] <Dossy> i'm not keen to use libguid because I don't know if it's threadsafe
IRC [11:33] <Dossy> and the hack in nssession is to just generate a long random string :)
IRC [11:33] <Dossy> but, in all, I'm using nssession for a small site of mine and it "works" :0
IRC [11:35] <erph> Dossy: thanks :) i'll give it a try.
IRC [11:40] <archiware> guid?
IRC [11:40] <archiware> Look:
IRC [11:40] <archiware> uuid_create() -> 0b3ac3f4-1dd2-11b2-aa33-da5347d7085b
IRC [11:40] <archiware> uuid_compare(u,u): 0
IRC [11:40] <archiware> uuid_compare(u, NameSpace_DNS): -1
IRC [11:40] <archiware> uuid_compare(NameSpace_DNS, u): 1
IRC [11:40] <archiware> uuid_create_from_name() -> e902893a-9d22-3c7e-a7b8-d6e313b71d9f
IRC [11:40] <archiware> Could be easy to wrap in ns_<whatever> wrapper and load. Sources
IRC [11:40] <archiware> are pretty simple. I have them lying somewhere arround
IRC [11:48] <Dossy> is that your own creation?
IRC [11:49] <archiware> * Copyright (c) 1990- 1993, 1996 Open Software Foundation, Inc.
IRC [11:49] <archiware> * Copyright (c) 1989 by Hewlett-Packard Company, Palo Alto, Ca. &
IRC [11:49] <archiware> * Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Mass.
IRC [11:49] <archiware> * Copyright (c) 1998 Microsoft.
IRC [11:49] <archiware> No, not really :-)
IRC [11:50] <archiware> oh yes,
IRC [11:50] <archiware> * To anyone who acknowledges that this file is provided "AS IS"
IRC [11:50] <archiware> * without any express or implied warranty: permission to use, copy,
IRC [11:51] <archiware> * modify, and distribute this file for any purpose is hereby
IRC [11:51] <archiware> * granted without fee, provided that the above copyright notices and
IRC [11:51] <archiware> yaddayaddayadda...
IRC [12:04] <Dossy> that isn't libuiid is it?
IRC [12:07] <archiware> i have no idea. I looked for that for some time for about 2 years ago and found it somewhere
IRC [12:07] <archiware> then, i kept it because of the web-dav implementation i wanted to do back then
IRC [12:07] <archiware> it is sitting on my disk since...
IRC [12:12] <archiware> I do not think this is libuuid after i googled a little
IRC [12:35] <archiware> now is the time for all good men...
IRC [12:35] <archiware> to go home and rest little bit from hard works day :-)
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IRC [18:06] <jhavard> Any life in the channel?
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IRC [18:21] <tekbasse> why? Are you planning to swim across it?
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IRC [19:55] <Dossy> Heh
IRC [19:56] <Dossy> jhavard, what's up?
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