2004/09/09
IRC [01:15] <Dossy> CA release Ingres r3 as open source software! http://dossy.org/archives/000059.html
IRC [01:17] * Dossy will have a nsingres db module as soon as I get ingres built here :)
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IRC [10:49] <iharding> why the excitement about ingres? What does it have that Postgres doesn't?
IRC [10:51] <iharding> Nevermind, I see 2 things in their propaganda, Clustering, Paralell processing.
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IRC [11:05] <Dossy> heh
IRC [11:05] <Dossy> yeah, the PQ is important for SMP systems
IRC [11:05] <Dossy> clustering. online schema modification. enterprise-level backup and management tools ...
IRC [11:06] <Dossy> I imagine performance is better, too.
IRC [11:06] <Dossy> I was almost ready to start using PostgreSQL over MySQL for an upcoming project, but now I'm going to do Ingres instead. Woo.
IRC [11:06] * Dossy bounces.
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IRC [11:18] <iharding> I suppose... Those all sound pretty cool. Does it use T-SQL and/or Watcom SQL like ASE?
IRC [11:19] <iharding> If it's easy to port MS SQL apps I am all in favor of it!
IRC [11:23] <Dossy> not sure ...
IRC [11:53] <Dossy> ingres apparently only builds on linux now - sigh
IRC [11:54] <Dossy> or at least the open source version
IRC [11:57] <iharding> Urgh. I was mixing apples and oranges. Sybase ASE is being released http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo
IRC [11:57] <iharding> Although I don't get how they can cripple it (processors, database size) if you can get the source...
IRC [11:57] <iharding> Maybe they don't and it's on the honor system.
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IRC [12:03] <Dossy> Or, they aren't releasing the source --
IRC [12:04] <Dossy> I never heard ASE for Linux was a source release. Just a free release.
IRC [12:04] <Dossy> "Why are we giving away licenses for this great database for free?"
IRC [12:04] <Dossy> Licenses. Not source.
IRC [12:10] <Dossy> i *heart* jwz -- http://jeremy.zawodny.com/i/pony.jpg
IRC [12:21] <iharding> ah, so it is. Bah.
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IRC [13:45] <jhavard> what does ingres actually offer? I'm too lazy to actually do anything with it.
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IRC [13:52] <jhavard> okay, looks like I may switch to linux so I can use ingres.
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IRC [14:58] <Dossy> jhavard: :P
IRC [14:59] <Dossy> There DOES seem to be a VERS.int_w32 profile
IRC [15:00] <Dossy> and Solaris, and HP-UX
IRC [15:01] <Dossy> I imagine porting to other Unix platforms isn't impossible -- their code is pretty clean and portable.
IRC [15:01] <Dossy> A lot of it's already #ifdef'ed --
IRC [15:01] <Dossy> f
IRC [15:01] <Dossy> fg
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IRC [15:40] <Dossy> WOOHOO. have ingres installed. time for a bathroom break.
IRC [15:48] <Dossy> starting ...
IRC [15:51] <Dossy> damn, it takes a LONG time to start up. feh
IRC [16:42] <jhavard> I'm not sure I want to dump freebsd just to use it, though.
IRC [16:42] <jhavard> although I could use the linux compatability magic...
IRC [17:02] <jhavard> dossy, looks like the only thing missing for non-linux platforms is the src/tools/port/jam/Jamdefs.<platform> file
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IRC [17:58] <GizmoBeastLives> Hi Dossy, we have some Tcl code that we think would be of general interest, and would like to release.
IRC [17:58] <GizmoBeastLives> The first chunk is a backwards-compatible replacement for ns_sendmail, which requires the smtp package from tcllib. It adds many features, including support for attachments, cc's, Reply-To's, Errors-To's, configurable server fallbacks, etc.
IRC [17:58] <GizmoBeastLives> The second chunk is a wrapper to TclCurl, providing procs much like ns_geturl, but that can retrieve files by http, https, ftp, etc. and have some other features.
IRC [17:59] <GizmoBeastLives> I'm wondering if there is a place for these in AOLserver SourceForge
IRC [17:59] <GizmoBeastLives> Perhaps a "contrib" style location
IRC [18:02] <bartt> GizmoBeastLives: That would be a cool addition!
IRC [18:04] <GizmoBeastLives> Thanks, Bart. Over the next week or so, I'm hoping to get some of our win32 and other AOLserver additions cleaned up and submitted to SF.
IRC [18:08] <GizmoBeastLives> I've put two files up at http://www.jamierasmussen.com/download/ if you want to see the code - they might not run as is because of dependencies on a few other of our utilities procs, but we would clean that up before committing of course
IRC [18:09] <bartt> Thanks
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IRC [21:12] <Dossy> jhavard: yeah, create one or two files /correctly/ and you *should* be able to get it to build on FreeBSD.
IRC [21:13] <Dossy> jamie: a contrib/ dir might be a good idea.
IRC [21:15] <Dossy> Anyone awake?