2004/09/13
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IRC [00:22] <Anaken> hola
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IRC [12:30] <jhavard> Go dossy. "I like the idea, but I don't like your proposed implementation and you didn't implement anything, so I whipped something up."
IRC [12:31] <jhavard> Not to mention quite a few have asked for something similar to the taglib for a Good Long Time.
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IRC [12:51] <Dossy> Nah - Rob did implement his taglib - he provided usable code even.
IRC [12:51] <Dossy> I just didn't like the way it felt.
IRC [12:52] <Dossy> I'm especially happy with the ns:query and ns:loop tags.
IRC [12:53] <jhavard> oh
IRC [12:53] <Dossy> You should check out the taglib I posted.
IRC [12:54] <Dossy> I'm thinking I'm going to build a light CMS for a club my spouse belongs to using Ingres, my taglib, and some ADPs.
IRC [12:54] <Dossy> I'm also building a small CRM/ERP for my father's business -- again, Ingres+taglib
IRC [12:55] <Dossy> I'm very close to importing nsingres source into CVS --
IRC [12:55] <Dossy> you ever get ingres to build on fbsd?
IRC [12:56] <jhavard> nope
IRC [12:56] <jhavard> Didn't even try.
IRC [12:56] <Dossy> Heh. OK.
IRC [12:57] <jhavard> question, I don't think I hung around long enough for an answer... will nsingres support quel?
IRC [12:57] <Dossy> probably not.
IRC [12:58] <Dossy> would there be a point? :)
IRC [12:58] <Dossy> rather - I'm not sure how hard it would be -- if someone specifically requires it, I'd be happy to implement it.
IRC [12:58] <jhavard> I require it.
IRC [12:58] <jhavard> Why? I like quel.
IRC [12:58] <Dossy> You smoke crack.
IRC [12:58] <jhavard> So?
IRC [13:01] <jhavard> quel is more relational-ish than sql.
IRC [13:03] <Dossy> QUEL is awkward - SQL has a uniform syntax based on command.
IRC [13:03] <Dossy> QUEL has one syntax. Ugh.
IRC [13:04] <Dossy> Wow, Ingres is like the father of all databases. Wow.
IRC [13:04] <Dossy> We have Ingres to blame for: Sybase, Informix, Illustra, PostgreSQL, MS SQL Server ... and probably a few others.
IRC [13:05] <jhavard> Actually, postgresql has a seperate lineage, although from the same man.
IRC [13:05] <jhavard> postgresql came from postgres, which came after ingres.
IRC [13:05] <jhavard> post...gres
IRC [13:05] <Dossy> same original author, though.
IRC [13:05] <jhavard> yeah
IRC [13:06] <Dossy> AFAIK, Postgres started as a fork of Ingres.
IRC [13:06] <jhavard> nope
IRC [13:06] <jhavard> Completely seperate project.
IRC [13:06] <Dossy> separate goal, but I don't think they started the code /from scratch/ do you?
IRC [13:07] <jhavard> I think they did.
IRC [13:07] <jhavard> But I wouldn't bet either way.
IRC [13:07] <Dossy> It appears that postgres was a clean start -- you're right.
IRC [13:08] <jhavard> it didn't even get sql until '95 apparently.
IRC [13:09] <Dossy> yeah
IRC [13:17] <jhavard> I fooled around with lisp this weekend.
IRC [13:18] <jhavard> I can definitely tell that tcl was inspired by lisp.
IRC [13:18] <Dossy> Heh.
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IRC [13:22] <jhavard> And I didn't feel dirty using all those parentheses.
IRC [13:25] <Dossy> heh1
IRC [13:25] <Dossy> Man, I really don't want to build my own CMS from scratch. AUGH
IRC [13:26] <jhavard> Well, give me a few months and I'll have one for you.
IRC [13:30] <Dossy> haha :)
IRC [13:31] <jhavard> http://www.havpyro.com/cheeseball.tcl
IRC [13:31] <jhavard> that's what I have so far.
IRC [14:25] <Dossy> heh
IRC [14:25] <Dossy> postgres?
IRC [14:26] <Dossy> i want to create this CMS to plug any DBMS - that's going to be the hard part
IRC [16:04] <Dossy> Woo, I'm a bug-closing fiend today.
IRC [16:27] <Dossy> Come on guys, you gotta start filing new bugs for me :-)
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IRC [17:16] <Dossy> hi zoro
IRC [17:17] <Dossy> woo, closed 6 SF bugs today so far.
IRC [17:17] <Dossy> time for a smoke.
IRC [17:18] <zoro2> hello
IRC [17:18] <zoro2> do you smoke? :)
IRC [17:23] <Dossy> Yes!
IRC [17:23] <Dossy> Often.
IRC [17:25] <zoro2> another :(
IRC [17:25] <zoro2> :)
IRC [17:30] <Dossy> huh?
IRC [17:31] <Dossy> so, someone must have NN 4.06 installed -- come on, someone? :)
IRC [17:39] <zoro2> :)
IRC [17:39] <zoro2> well I have problems with too many people smoking
IRC [17:39] <zoro2> why NN 4.06
IRC [17:39] <zoro2> ?
IRC [17:44] <Dossy> http://aolserver.com/sf/bug/999089
IRC [17:49] <zoro2> hmmm
IRC [17:49] <zoro2> no I don't have any NN
IRC [17:50] <zoro2> although I thought I had some old installer with me
IRC [17:50] <Dossy> Oh well.
IRC [17:50] <Dossy> Does anyone still use nsxml?
IRC [17:50] <Dossy> I'm keen to address all the open nsxml bugs, but would like to run the changes by someone who actually uses it ... :-)
IRC [17:52] <zoro2> no
IRC [17:52] <zoro2> I don't
IRC [17:52] <zoro2> and for now I'm pretty busy developing in fscking php :)
IRC [17:55] <Dossy> ouch!
IRC [17:55] <Dossy> PH PEE
IRC [17:55] <zoro2> yes
IRC [17:55] <zoro2> and I am almost crazy about it
IRC [17:55] <Dossy> i'm feeling some Plone envy at the moment: I want to build a better-Plone-than-Plone in ADP.
IRC [17:55] <zoro2> I even have a tcl script that renders php ;)
IRC [17:55] <Dossy> heh
IRC [17:55] <Dossy> are you running PHP under AOLserver?
IRC [17:55] <zoro2> btw I really can't understand php team
IRC [17:55] <Dossy> I have a hack to PHP that lets you Tcl_Eval from PHP scripts. :)
IRC [17:56] <Dossy> mwahaha :)
IRC [17:56] <zoro2> no, under apache - although I am fighting to switch to ANYTHING for the real app (for now it is mainly for demo purposes)
IRC [17:56] <zoro2> and about php - who the f*ck invented magic_quotes?
IRC [17:56] <zoro2> some kind of weirdo
IRC [17:56] <zoro2> security by stupidity
IRC [17:56] <Dossy> hee
IRC [17:56] <Dossy> sometimes, that's Good Enough. :)
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IRC [17:57] <Dossy> hey nate
IRC [17:57] <Dossy> Thought you'd given up on us. :-)
IRC [17:57] <frodoroot> heh I don't have that option
IRC [17:57] <zoro2> well, yes
IRC [17:57] <Dossy> erph's been awfully quiet, too :)
IRC [17:57] <zoro2> but
IRC [17:57] <frodoroot> as long as I work here
IRC [17:57] <Dossy> frodoroot: What option?
IRC [17:57] <zoro2> it's like adding slashes in ns_queryget
IRC [17:57] <frodoroot> lol
IRC [17:58] <frodoroot> Dossy: giving up on aolserver
IRC [17:58] <Dossy> frodoroot: Ah, heh!
IRC [17:58] <frodoroot> hehehe
IRC [17:58] <frodoroot> Dossy: not that I would want to anyway
IRC [17:58] <frodoroot> Dossy: AOLserver is great and it has kept us in business
IRC [17:59] <frodoroot> is nsopenssl working yet?
IRC [18:01] <Dossy> define "working"
IRC [18:02] <zoro2> :D
IRC [18:02] <Dossy> I have yet to hear any complaints from anyone who's running 3.0beta22.
IRC [18:02] <zoro2> serving websites without crashing? ;)
IRC [18:02] <Dossy> If they're crashing, nobody's telling me.
IRC [18:02] <zoro2> hehe
IRC [18:02] <zoro2> maybe they wrote an ns_sendmail about it ... that gets crashed ;)
IRC [18:02] <Dossy> BRB. smoke. :)
IRC [18:05] <zoro2> I hate rewriting :(
IRC [18:06] * zoro2 has to rewrite a 5 pages table into openoffice
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IRC [18:20] <frodoroot> anyone here know about PF_RING?
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IRC [20:21] <jhavard> maybe because the bug is so bad it does a DoS on anybody that hits it, saturating their pipe(s) to the outside world.
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IRC [20:37] <Dossy> Evening bruno.
IRC [20:37] <Dossy> jhavard: wrong window?
IRC [20:37] <Dossy> jhavard: Oh, you mean nsopenssl? :P
IRC [20:40] <brunom> Hey Dossy
IRC [20:40] <jhavard> I'm tired of torturing myself with lisp.
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IRC [22:26] <Dossy> jhavard: Then, um, don't?