2004/10/01
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IRC [09:01] <Dossy> Morning.
IRC [09:09] <jcollins> hi dossy
IRC [11:17] <AndyPiskorski> Morning folks.
IRC [11:19] <jcollins> hi
IRC [11:25] <AndyPiskorski> Dossy, is reproducing how you built Tcl easy or hard for you? AKA, can I expect more info from you soon, or should I assume you don't have time to re-figure it out?
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IRC [11:48] <Dossy> It's fairly easy.
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IRC [11:54] <Dossy> What's the problem? building tcl?
IRC [12:00] <Dossy> http://wiki.tcl.tk/11431
IRC [12:00] <Dossy> http://wiki.tcl.tk/11431 -- Building Tcl with the free VC++ toolkit
IRC [12:00] <Dossy> Once you get Tcl built, AOLserver should be a lay-up.
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IRC [12:03] <AndyPiskorski> Aha, I didn't know about that page.
IRC [12:04] <AndyPiskorski> Yes, building Tcl that way. (I sent you an email about it last night, Dossy.)
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IRC [12:33] <Dossy> yeah, saw the email --
IRC [13:37] <Dossy> jcollins: that bad, huh?
IRC [13:37] <Dossy> LSA for resumes, heh
IRC [13:37] <jcollins_> haha
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IRC [13:38] <jcollins_> that and i just think it'd be extremely cool
IRC [13:38] <Dossy> nah
IRC [13:38] <Dossy> humans are cheaper to hire :)
IRC [13:38] <jcollins_> what to look at resumes?
IRC [13:38] <Dossy> yeah
IRC [13:39] <jcollins_> eh, i'm just dreaming about having a .procmail recipe that filters resumes and only lets the good ones into my inbox
IRC [13:39] <jcollins_> but really it's just turned into an excuse to code up some based on LSA
IRC [13:42] <jcollins_> even a generic lsa framework could be neat to use
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IRC [16:05] <AndyPiskorski> LSA, huh? Is there any existing good open source LSA code out there?
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AIM [16:11] <raymondjtoth> hi need help
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IRC [16:25] <Dossy> didn't stick around long enough
IRC [16:25] <Dossy> andy: google for "latent semantic indexing"
IRC [16:27] <Dossy> I wonder if you can use LSA for spam filtering.
IRC [16:36] <Dossy> andy: you get tcl built yet?
IRC [16:41] <Dossy> Andy must be lagging badly. :-0
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IRC [18:27] <AndyPiskorski> No lag, I just had my IRC buffer (in Emacs) hidden.
IRC [18:27] <AndyPiskorski> You still around Dossy? Because I still can't get Tcl to compile using that VC++ 2003 stuff.
IRC [18:58] <AndyPiskorski> Oh foo, I think it was just a problem with quotes when setting up my Windows environment variables.
IRC [19:35] <Dossy> heh
IRC [19:35] <Dossy> So, did you get it building?
IRC [19:35] <AndyPiskorski> Mostly, yes.
IRC [19:36] <Dossy> yay.
IRC [19:36] <Dossy> Congrats.
IRC [19:36] <AndyPiskorski> The debug mode build is failing but the "release" build seems to complete.
IRC [19:36] <AndyPiskorski> I need to actually try using the built Tcl first, though.
IRC [19:36] <Dossy> heh
IRC [19:37] <Dossy> once you get tcl built, building aolserver should be easy.
IRC [19:49] <AndyPiskorski> Joy, installing Tcl with nmake fails, because xcopy can't find tcl84tg.dll
IRC [19:49] <AndyPiskorski> Which I think was not built because of this error:
IRC [19:49] <AndyPiskorski> LINK : fatal error LNK1207: incompatible PDB format in 'Z:\aol4-src\aolserver-head\tcl8.4\win\Debug\
IRC [19:49] <AndyPiskorski> tcl84tg.pdb'; delete and rebuild
IRC [19:49] <AndyPiskorski> NMAKE : fatal error U1077: 'link' : return code '0x4b7'
IRC [19:49] <AndyPiskorski> Stop.
IRC [19:49] <AndyPiskorski> Every seen that one before?
IRC [19:51] <AndyPiskorski> Actually, I would be happy just to turn OFF all use of the Tcl debug build. I don't see why it's trying to do that anyway.
IRC [19:51] <Dossy> um, no i haven't seen the error but it seems Pretty Obvious what the course of corrective action ought to be. :)
IRC [19:52] <AndyPiskorski> (Oh, stupid me, I was accidentally telling it to build with symbols. Trying again.)
IRC [19:55] <AndyPiskorski> Rapidity of whining on IRC is closely proportional to degree of looking foolish. :)
IRC [19:55] <AndyPiskorski> Woot! tclsh appear to work.
IRC [19:56] <Dossy> :)
IRC [19:56] <Dossy> are you planning on building 4.1.0 or 4.0.9b?
IRC [19:58] <AndyPiskorski> Both, probably. But 4.0.8 or 4.0.9 is what I'll actually use.
IRC [20:02] <Dossy> OK.
IRC [20:03] <Dossy> well, as I said, if you use the win32\build.tcl to build 4.0.x, you need to delete the lines "nsd/limits.obj" and "nsd/pools.obj" -- there's only one instance of each in the whole file.
IRC [20:04] <Dossy> I should probably hack up build.tcl to actually *read* the gnu makefile.
IRC [20:04] <Dossy> or, figure out the appropriate tweaks to our Makefiles so that you can run cygwin gmake on win32, but have it use the msvc++ 2003 toolkit compiler ...
IRC [20:05] <AndyPiskorski> Btw, any reason you wrote your own Tcl make clone rather than using on of the existing Tcl make replacements?
IRC [20:05] <AndyPiskorski> I've heard of at least 3: bras, tmk, smake
IRC [20:05] <AndyPiskorski> No idea which one is best, etc.
IRC [20:06] <Dossy> To answer your question -- I didn't know which one is best, and the time it would have taken me to review all three, I wrote and tested my own. :)
IRC [20:06] <Dossy> Mine is far from "done" but it *works* to produce me a win32 build that I can at least test.
IRC [20:07] <Dossy> I personally don't care that it's not a generic, uberflexible build-file language interpreter and smoothie maker.
IRC [20:07] <AndyPiskorski> Hm, build.tcl can't seem to find my tcl.h, I wonder why.
IRC [20:07] <Dossy> It gives me a one-line command to build a win32 build of AOLserver. That's all I wanted.
IRC [20:07] <Dossy> oh - read the wiki page :)
IRC [20:08] <Dossy> > The build.tcl script currently assumes that Tcl was built in ..\tcl_core-8-4-6 (relative to the top of the AOLserver source directory) and when you built Tcl, you did a "nmake -f makefile.vc install INSTALLDIR=installed" so that Tcl was installed into ..\tcl_core-8-4-6\win\installed. That's just how my build environment is set up -- I plan to enhance the build.tcl script to let you pass in the path to the Tcl install from the comma
IRC [20:08] <AndyPiskorski> Ok, makes sense. Was just wondering if you avoided those Tcl makes for some more complicated reason.
IRC [20:08] <Dossy> oops, trunctaed.
IRC [20:08] <Dossy> nope. i was in a rush and had little patience.
IRC [20:08] <Dossy> I basically wanted to prove that the free MSVC++ compiler *could* be used to build tcl
IRC [20:09] <Dossy> err, AOLserver rather
IRC [20:09] <Dossy> because if it couldn't, then I'd just forget about doing it
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