2005/01/10
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IRC [13:13] <Dossy> gzip in ADP is http://aolserver.com/sf/rfe/1099613
IRC [13:13] <Dossy> gzip in adp?
IRC [13:13] <Dossy> bot, gzip in ADP is http://aolserver.com/sf/rfe/1099613
IRC [13:13] <Dossy> gzip in adp?
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IRC [13:17] <holycow> hey Dossy
IRC [13:18] <Dossy> hey holycow :)
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IRC [13:28] <Dossy> nobody excited about that RFE? :)
IRC [13:29] <Dossy> boy, I think I need to recruit some AOLserver cheerleaders. :P
IRC [13:41] <holycow> ehe
IRC [13:41] <holycow> whats rfe again?
IRC [13:42] <holycow> post, i'll be back in a few
IRC [13:42] <Dossy> gzip in adp
IRC [13:42] <Dossy> there's the URL
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IRC [13:58] <holycow> oh nice
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IRC [14:34] <holycow> backo
IRC [15:04] <Dossy> yay. some life on the mailing list!
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IRC [16:01] <Dossy> OK, I have code for the RFE.
IRC [16:01] <Dossy> Anyone want to review before I commit?
IRC [16:01] <holycow> if i had a clue maybe
IRC [16:01] <holycow> >_>
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IRC [16:19] <Dossy> heh.
IRC [16:20] <Dossy> Need to recruit more AOLserver hackers. Hmm.
IRC [16:20] <Dossy> All comes back to needing cheerleaders. :)
IRC [16:21] <holycow> Dossy, and time
IRC [16:21] <holycow> damnit and time
IRC [16:21] <holycow> and resources
IRC [16:21] <holycow> i think one can make a very good living creating applications based around aolserver
IRC [16:22] <holycow> i would love to create a consultancy around that
IRC [16:22] <Dossy> I've been half-assed trying to ...
IRC [16:22] <Dossy> It's hard to drive business doing AOLserver.
IRC [16:23] <Dossy> The right customers are a VERY small niche -- only the largest sites that really NEED a platform like AOLserver.
IRC [16:23] <Dossy> And most of those organizations are blinded by tech-rag magazine articles that pump Java.
IRC [16:23] <holycow> heh
IRC [16:23] <holycow> i'm not sure about the larges orgs...
IRC [16:23] <holycow> it seems to me like aolserver development time is much faster than php
IRC [16:23] <Dossy> well, I'm talking about spaces where AOLserver really outshines the alternatives.
IRC [16:23] <holycow> and results in applications that can grow over time
IRC [16:24] <holycow> ah *nod*
IRC [16:24] <Dossy> Possibly. However, many/most PHP applications are so "small" in size and requirement to scale that you rarely hit its limitations.
IRC [16:24] <Dossy> I mean, many folks think "1000 unique visitors daily" is a "busy" site. Ha.
IRC [16:24] <holycow> heh
IRC [16:25] <Dossy> Yes, many folks would fall over themselves for 1000 uniques/day. And, for a site that small, PHP or JSP or ASP for that matter will do the job just fine.
IRC [16:25] <holycow> i see what you are saying
IRC [16:25] <Dossy> At that point, the code quality is what matters and you can write crap code in ANY language, even Tcl/ADP.
IRC [16:25] <holycow> heh, true
IRC [16:25] <Dossy> Few sites on the net see 1M-100M unique visitors a day.
IRC [16:27] <Dossy> It's those truly large sites that would/could benefit from AOLserver, but they're already so large and so deeply invested in their technology/infrastructure that trying to convert them to AOLserver so late in the game is almost impossible.
IRC [16:27] <holycow> i'm not sure if there really is a cost/benefit
IRC [16:27] <holycow> the cost benefit might exist if for example you couldn't use some of the apache libraries
IRC [16:27] <Dossy> This is the reason why I'm partnering with a few friends to start building some websites that offer free/paid services, all built on top of AOLserver.
IRC [16:28] <holycow> otherwise its install and go
IRC [16:28] <holycow> Dossy, yeah, *nod*
IRC [16:28] <holycow> thats a cool idea
IRC [16:28] <Dossy> Try to compete head-on with some well-established but "weak" sites -- those that are crumbling as a result of their rapid success and inability to scale fast.
IRC [16:28] <Dossy> We'll see how the venture goes. :-)
IRC [16:29] <holycow> do you mind me asking what kinds of services?
IRC [16:29] <holycow> webhosting and such?
IRC [16:29] <Dossy> nono
IRC [16:29] <Dossy> blogging. forums. social networking. event planning. etc.
IRC [16:29] <Dossy> all the popular web applications today. but, we'll do it on a platform that's easily scalable.
IRC [16:29] <holycow> thats super cool
IRC [16:30] <holycow> all on openacs perhaps? :)
IRC [16:32] <holycow> yeah i guess there is no difference between apache and aol based stuff on the low end
IRC [16:32] <holycow> i keep on thinking 'but' ... but at the low end even crap works fine
IRC [16:34] <Dossy> right, like perl .cgi
IRC [16:44] <holycow> my view of aolserver is as a 'development platform' more than a solution to the scaling problem
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IRC [16:55] <martinh> but, aolserver solves the scaling problem too. . .
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