2005/02/20
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IRC [01:26] <holycow> hey all
IRC [01:26] <holycow> hey anyone know what happened to aolserver4 in debian?
IRC [01:26] <holycow> i could of sworn it was there this afternoon
IRC [01:26] <holycow> was aolserver4 ever in debian?
IRC [01:31] <tekbasse> I don't have debian installed locally right now, but stumbled on this: http://libresoft.dat.escet.urjc.es/debian-counting/sarge/search.php?search=aolserver
IRC [01:34] <holycow> thats a weird link
IRC [01:34] <holycow> :)
IRC [01:34] <holycow> i dont fucking understand
IRC [01:35] <holycow> i installed openacs and aolserver on a laptop 3 hours ago, i thought i was installing aolserver4
IRC [01:35] <holycow> now on this machine all i get is aolserver3 packages, yet the laptop shows aolserver 4 packages
IRC [01:35] <holycow> unbelievable
IRC [01:37] <tekbasse> iirc, accessing debian woody apt-get packages at nighttime sometimes didn't work... but usually did during the day =/
IRC [01:37] <tekbasse> my experience anyway
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IRC [01:38] <tekbasse> zone
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IRC [05:11] <holycow> weird ...
IRC [05:11] <holycow> okay i reinstalled sarge, base install only
IRC [05:11] <holycow> i installed aolserver4, but i can only access it locally and not over the network
IRC [05:11] <holycow> would anyone know why? i don't have iptables or anything like that installed or running to my knowledge
IRC [05:12] <holycow> is there an aolserver config line that tells it to trust an ip range perhaps?
IRC [05:13] <holycow> when i nmap from test server on it self it shows port 80, but from network it doesn't show port 80 so that looks like a it has to be told to trust a certain network domain, no?
IRC [05:14] <jcdldn> what does netstat -an say
IRC [05:16] <holycow> let me post to site
IRC [05:16] <holycow> http://pastebin.com/244029
IRC [05:17] <jcdldn> It's only bound to localhost 127.0.0.1:80
IRC [05:17] <holycow> aolserver it self? where do i change that?
IRC [05:18] <jcdldn> edit the config.tcl and change set address 0.0.0.0
IRC [05:18] <holycow> oh!
IRC [05:18] <jcdldn> I am not sure where your config.tcl would be
IRC [05:19] <jcdldn> it's distributed in SERVER/etc/config.tcl but it might be somewhere else. it's whats given when nsd is started
IRC [05:19] <jcdldn> ps -efc | grep nsd
IRC [05:19] <jcdldn> and see if you can see what filename is given there
IRC [05:19] <holycow> okay
IRC [05:40] <holycow> thats funny
IRC [05:40] <holycow> i got dotlrn package to answer over the network by changing that but aolserver still refuses to
IRC [05:40] <holycow> weird
IRC [05:41] <jcdldn> ? you also have something bound on 127.0.0.1:8000
IRC [05:42] <holycow> thats dotlrn package actually
IRC [05:42] <holycow> if i bind dotlrn to ip:8000 it works over network
IRC [05:42] <jcdldn> what does your nsd command say? You need to prebind priveledged ports (the -b flag to nsd)
IRC [05:42] <holycow> aolserver, nope *hmmm* doublechecking config files
IRC [05:43] <jcdldn> since aolserver gives up root as soon as possible so if you don't prebind the port the nsd process won't have the privs to do it
IRC [05:55] <jcdldn> holycow, is it working now?
IRC [05:56] <holycow> no i'm reading docs on aolserver further, i hate bugging you too much
IRC [05:56] <jcdldn> reading docs? that's insane :)
IRC [05:57] <holycow> lol :) not if one wants to survive in linux related irc forums
IRC [05:57] <holycow> hehehe :)
IRC [05:57] <jcdldn> so you know the nsd command should look like:
IRC [05:57] <jcdldn> /usr/bin/nsd -it /web/head/config/config.tcl -b g2.xarg.net:80 -u nsadmin -g web
IRC [05:57] <holycow> i dont have /usr/bin/nsd?
IRC [05:58] <jcdldn> -t to tell it config and -b to prebind to port 80 (you could do -b 0.0.0.0:80 to bind all interfaces)
IRC [05:58] <jcdldn> well whichever nsd you have.
IRC [05:58] <holycow> oh name server daemon
IRC [05:58] <holycow> lol i'm a retard
IRC [05:58] <jcdldn> it's just the aolserver server binary
IRC [05:59] <jcdldn> not name server it stands for NaviServer Daemon (which is what aolserver was a long time ago before AOL bought navipress)
IRC [06:00] <holycow> oh! i see what your saying
IRC [06:00] <holycow> *nod* i remember reading about that in the history of aolserver
IRC [06:00] <holycow> k.
IRC [06:00] <jcdldn> if you installed from source it might be in /usr/local/aolserver4/bin or something like that.
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IRC [06:01] <holycow> *nod* locating now
IRC [06:02] <holycow> /usr/lib/aolserver4/bin/nsd <-- that looks like it
IRC [06:02] <jcdldn> yup./
IRC [06:03] <jcdldn> and if you ps -efc --columns=1000 | grep nsd you should see what flags are being given.
IRC [06:09] <holycow> question for you
IRC [06:09] <holycow> why do i need to do this, shouldn't it just read the config file in /etc/aolserver4/aolserver4.tcl?
IRC [06:09] <holycow> this seems like an odd way to make a webserver work, no?
IRC [06:16] <jcdldn> it's pretty common to run multiple servers on the same box so you need to be able to specify a config filename
IRC [06:17] <holycow> oh i see, what does one commonly do with aolserver, setup a restricted user and run it as that?
IRC [06:18] <tekbasse> yes
IRC [06:20] <holycow> are there any performance issues running multiple instances of aolserver?
IRC [06:20] <holycow> i suppose the only hit you would see is on memory correct?
IRC [06:21] <tekbasse> it's like anything else where there's two or more running, still aolserver scales well so it's efficient with the resources it has available
IRC [06:22] <tekbasse> memory, cpu, etc
IRC [06:22] <holycow> *nod* my apache learning is showing i guess
IRC [06:22] <holycow> hehe :)
IRC [06:24] <holycow> okay thank you for the info, if thats the case and dotlrn is up and running for the time being, thats good enough for now
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IRC [17:35] <Dossy> p/bal
IRC [17:35] <Dossy> oops.
IRC [18:22] <jcdldn> dossy: u here?
IRC [18:25] <jcdldn> A guy on # openacs made the assertion aolserver4 not in sarge on the basis of this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=293079
IRC [18:25] <jcdldn> He said: <mait> holycow: probably out of sarge due to the grave bug I filed (293079) :(
IRC [18:28] <jcdldn> anyway, It strikes me as odd that a grave bug on the alpha would matter to many people but I wanted to know if you knew about it.
IRC [19:57] <Dossy> jcdldn: If/when you see frankie, ask him.
IRC [19:57] <Dossy> As frankie is the packager of AOLserver for Debian.
IRC [20:04] <Dossy> I don't know if frankie is going to patch AOLserver 4.0.10 for Debian alpha to remove that if() in question ...
IRC [20:04] <Dossy> I may remove it for 4.0.11 - not sure yet.
IRC [20:10] <jcdldn> I can't believe they would remove a package for that but I think it's important to get aolserver into the main distros so I wanted to make sure you were aware of it.
IRC [20:15] <Dossy> I'd be surprised if they'd pull the entire aolserver4 package just because it won't run on alpha.
IRC [20:15] <jcdldn> me too. but stuff like that does happen.
IRC [20:15] <Dossy> I could understand pulling the alpha .deb, but ...
IRC [20:16] <jcdldn> It's like gentoo switching off threads for tcl because some C based non-threadsafe package that embeded tcl broke with it that way.
IRC [20:17] <Dossy> yay.
IRC [20:18] <Dossy> whee.
IRC [20:20] <jcdldn> it was stupid but it happened mostly bacause no one pointed out how stupid it was (and they assumed perl's thread saftey problems carried over to Tcl)
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