2007/09/05
IRC [00:36] *** holymoly parted the chat.
IRC [07:57] <cacrus> Dossy , I think using trac to mange the project is a great initiative ,as a user of aolserver this assures not only but a larger user community that a BETTER way of managing the project and collaboration on bug fixes is there , Good Luck ,
IRC [08:34] <Dossy_> thanks
IRC [08:37] <frankie> Dossy_: moving to svn is probably much more important, cvs is simply dead and a pain to use for branching/tagging
IRC [08:38] <frankie> Dossy_: anyway nice to see discussions/flaming going on, when there are those sort of things a project is not dead :)
IRC [08:39] <frankie> Dossy_: the documentation issue is not only a problem for aolserver anyway, it is a quite common issue
IRC [08:39] * frankie is lurking the ML in the shadow
IRC [08:40] <frankie> Dossy_: many projects 'solved' the documentation problem by moving to a wiki alone
IRC [08:41] <cacrus> have u guys see the presentation Linus did on subversion and GIT ?
IRC [08:41] <frankie> ah yes, a bit biased indeed
IRC [08:41] <cacrus> I was thinking of using trac for our application management , but didnt have time yet , but we use subversion to manage our application development
IRC [08:42] <cacrus> to some extent , but branching and merging is a pain in subversion thats true
IRC [08:43] <frankie> anyway svn vs git is a centralized vs distributed scm debate, it depends on development style
IRC [08:43] <frankie> distributed is ok when there are decentralized centers of responsability for different modules/sections
IRC [08:44] <frankie> else the whole thing goes rapidly to chaos
IRC [08:57] <Dossy_> yeah, i thought moving to a wiki would help--but few people bother editing
IRC [08:57] <Dossy_> i thought about doing the cvs2svn migration, but really--with nobody making changes, who cares
IRC [08:58] <cacrus> U seem let down :)
IRC [08:58] <Dossy_> FYI, I don't know if you saw, but I quickly took a first pass at generating docs off the C source using Doxygen: http://aolserver.com/doxygen
IRC [08:58] <cacrus> I loked into it , its a good start
IRC [08:59] <Dossy_> heh, yeah, I'm getting to the point where I'd rather spend my open source hacking time on projects where people actually want to do something
IRC [08:59] <Dossy_> I think what might be more useful than documented C API is to just write some architecture docs. of course, that means _me_ having to write everything
IRC [08:59] * Dossy_ sighs
IRC [09:01] <cacrus> How abotu you setup a task list *( sine u seem to be the most relevant person ) call everyone interested in Aolserver , using aolserver on production, ( this much they to aolserver ) and let everyone chose from the tasks which one feels capable of , ( am i heading way to far with this )
IRC [09:03] <Dossy_> well, that's the problem--in the past, the response is "I'm not capable of doing these tasks" -- even something as simple as helping document the Tcl API
IRC [09:03] <Dossy_> the C source code for AOLserver is NOT that impenetrable
IRC [09:03] <Dossy_> It's actually quite readable, and consistent--once you figure out how to read it, you can read almost all of it
IRC [09:09] <daguz> How do you suggest getting started on "reading" it? Since I mentioned helping, it was suggested that I document. I'm not sure that I'm up to that task but still -- Any documenting or enhancement is impossible (for me) without some guidance on where to start.
IRC [09:10] <Dossy_> Pick a command in the Tcl API list that isn't documented
IRC [09:10] <Dossy_> http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/Tcl_API
IRC [09:11] <Dossy_> (the red links are the ones that have no content yet)
IRC [09:11] <daguz> Ok fine. (no seriously)
IRC [09:11] <Dossy_> then, grep for the tcl command:
IRC [09:11] <Dossy_> $ grep ns_connsendfp */*.c
IRC [09:11] <Dossy_> nsd/tclcmds.c: {"ns_connsendfp", NULL, NsTclConnSendFpObjCmd},
IRC [09:11] <Dossy_> nsd/tclresp.c: * Implements ns_connsendfp as obj command.
IRC [09:12] <Dossy_> so, that says "ns_connsendfp" is implemented by the C function NsTclConnSendFpObjCmd
IRC [09:12] <Dossy_> and, luckily we even see that NsTclConnSendFpObjCmd is probably defined in nsd/tclresp.c
IRC [09:12] <Dossy_> open up nsd/tclresp.c and search for the NsTclConnSendFpObjCmd function
IRC [09:12] <Dossy_> that function is only ~30 lines long--not unreasonably large at all
IRC [09:13] <Dossy_> you can see what kind of args the command takes by what args it parses for in the function ...
IRC [09:13] <Dossy_> if you find C code that's really hard to read--say something. maybe it could use improvement--and flagging it for improvement might help get someone more proficient in C to look closer at it
IRC [09:16] <Dossy_> what might be useful are examples of how to use the Tcl command, too
IRC [09:16] <frankie> a better way is using ctags even :)
IRC [09:17] <frankie> than :tag NsTclConnSendFpObjCmd will take you there
IRC [09:17] <frankie> at least in vim
IRC [09:18] <frankie> Dossy: about development I wonder how many people works on aolserver core and modules¸ something like tcl/tk TIP wouldn't be reasonable?
IRC [09:18] <frankie> s/works/work
IRC [09:19] <frankie> that would avoid reactions like 'hey dude who asked for that???'
IRC [09:20] <Dossy_> frankie: the TIP process is nice but it's a bit tedious for a smaller community like ours
IRC [09:21] <Dossy_> I mean, Tom complained about the effort required to submit a patch (i.e., run "diff") ... who are we kidding if we think we're going to get people to author an entire TIP-style proposal?
IRC [09:21] <frankie> uhm point taken
IRC [09:22] <Dossy_> the Tcl community has a significant number of _active_ contributors. the TIP process helps them synchronize activities to keep people from getting in each other's way
IRC [09:22] <Dossy_> if the AOLserver community had as much activity, I'd say that yes, some kind of "traffic shaping" process is necessary to keep people from interfering with each other
IRC [09:22] <frankie> anyway some less casual request for consensus could help
IRC [09:23] * Dossy_ nods
IRC [09:23] <frankie> at least for major improvements
IRC [09:25] <cacrus> Dossy_: I am not a developer , but do some perl and bash , i would like to start in understanding C code, in case i am stuck in aoslerver somewhere , would like to troubleshoot it myself, where do i start , i really would like contribute my efforts to aolserver
IRC [09:25] <Dossy_> cacrus: fortunately, I'm here--if you have questions, please ask :)
IRC [09:26] <Dossy_> Where do you start ... ? Pick something you want to learn more about, and I can point you at where to start reading.
IRC [09:26] <cacrus> My idea is to understand Aolserver Code and troucble shoot my way out ,
IRC [09:27] <Dossy_> Hmm. Learning how to work a debugger well is probably an important skill--that's totally separate from AOLserver
IRC [09:28] <cacrus> For examle , if u recall I asked you to a couple do days back to download the cvs branchg of latest aolserver 4.0 , u helped me in that I downloaded it . For some time now ihave been trying to find a way to compile aolserver on an x86_64 platform to be 32 bit only , I could nto find a way
IRC [09:29] <cacrus> than i started cmpilin the 4.0.10 cvs version on fedora core 4 x86 , assuming that iits binaries will work on amd ,
IRC [09:29] <cacrus> this comopile has been giving me segmentation fualts since than , i have been trying to work on it :) can't get thru
IRC [09:34] <frankie> Dossy_: oh well http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/AIP_1, you already proposed something like that
IRC [09:39] <Dossy_> yeah--that was another failed experiment :-(
IRC [09:41] <Dossy_> cacrus: you compiled Tcl with --disable-64bit?
IRC [09:41] <Dossy_> and then compiled AOLserver --with-tcl= pointing to it?
IRC [09:42] <Dossy_> on the x86_64 box?
IRC [09:42] <cacrus> its giving me egmentation fault on x86
IRC [09:42] <cacrus> i havent even tried the binaries on x86_64
IRC [09:42] <cacrus> yes with --with-tcl , poiting to latest tcl version 8.4.15
IRC [09:43] <Dossy_> and that Tcl version you compiled with --disable-64bit?
IRC [09:44] <cacrus> No its compiled on a x86 , i did not compile it 64 bit
IRC [09:44] <Dossy_> Hmm.
IRC [09:45] <Dossy_> What was the reason you're trying to do this, again?
IRC [09:46] <cacrus> i have been receiving aoslerver crashes on x86_64 , but i compiled aolerverver with --enable-64bit , Than i learned that 64 bit code is not thoroughly tested , so i thought i should compile crashing servers again to 32 bit , to see if it imporoves situation ,
IRC [09:47] <cacrus> when i compile aolserver or tcl on x86_64 i can still see that it links against 64 bitlibraries
IRC [09:47] <cacrus> even though i pass --disable-64bit on both
IRC [09:51] <Dossy_> yeah, do you have the 32-bit libraries installed?
IRC [09:53] <cacrus> u mean on x86_64 bit , i am not sure if these needs to be installed separately . but my segmentation fault on fedora core 4 , is x86 and in compile everything fine on this machine .
IRC [09:53] <cacrus> i can use gdb on core dump files
IRC [09:54] <Dossy_> one thing to try: CC="gcc -m32" as per someone in #tcl ...
IRC [09:54] <cacrus> on which machine , x86 or 64 ?
IRC [09:54] <Dossy_> x86_64
IRC [09:54] <Dossy_> I'm guessing. let me see.
IRC [09:55] <cacrus> ok i will try that , but what about the x86 segmentation fault ?
IRC [09:57] <cacrus> shall i try -m32 on both tcl and aolserver ?
IRC [09:57] <partymola> i retouched my page in panoptic's wiki so it looks a little more appealing to outsiders ;)
IRC [10:00] <Dossy_> cool :)
IRC [10:01] <Dossy_> by the way, do any of you blog anywhere?
IRC [10:01] <Dossy_> is it worth starting an "AOLserver Planet"?
IRC [10:01] <Dossy_> yay! dev.aolserver.com DNS is done
IRC [10:02] <cacrus> Dossy_: i compiled tcl with gcc -m32 and it worked i dont see tclsh8.4 linking against 64 bitlibraries
IRC [10:02] <cacrus> i wll try now aolserver same way
IRC [10:02] <Dossy_> cool :)
IRC [10:02] <partymola> i blog at juanjose.simpleoption.com , but i don't blog only about tcl and aolserver ... but also about economy and such
IRC [10:03] <Dossy_> that's cool
IRC [10:03] <cacrus> I dont blog , but wrote something on scribd about aolserver tests
IRC [10:03] <cacrus> hmm i think i should start
IRC [10:03] <Dossy_> cacrus, oh? cool :)
IRC [10:04] <partymola> AOLServer planets looks like a nice idea :D
IRC [10:04] <Dossy_> partymola: is your name "Juan Jose"
IRC [10:04] <partymola> yes
IRC [10:08] <cacrus> Dossy_: aolserver compile with -m32 did not work /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/3.2.3/libgcc_s.so when searching for -lgcc_s
IRC [10:08] <cacrus> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s
IRC [10:08] <cacrus> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
IRC [10:08] <cacrus> make[1]: *** [libnsthread.so] Error 1
IRC [10:08] <cacrus> make[1]: Leaving directory `/software/nsadmin/32bitaolserver/aolserver/nsthread'
IRC [10:08] <cacrus> make: *** [all] Error 1
IRC [10:11] <Dossy_> cacrus: hmmm -- what was the whole ld command it tried to execute? pastebin/
IRC [10:12] <cacrus> http://pastebin.com/d41322c46
IRC [10:15] <cacrus> errors seems like the thing u were referring to , maybe it requires 32 bit gcc libraries ,
IRC [10:18] <Dossy_> yeah--you need libgcc_s.so built 32-bit
IRC [10:19] <cacrus> hmm , now i am a bit lost , shall i continur eon slbingthis issue of comping aolserver in 32 bit mode on amd or trouble shoot the core dumps :)
IRC [10:20] <Dossy_> probably just figure out why it's dumping core, yes.
IRC [10:21] <cacrus> btw i noticed there is a libgcc_s.so in /usr/lib folder , i am ssumingthis is the 32 bit one
IRC [10:21] <cacrus> and there is one in 64lib folder ,
IRC [10:25] <cacrus> that library was available on the syste m , i just did a ln -s on that lib and it worked ,
IRC [10:25] <cacrus> now it failes here
IRC [10:26] <cacrus> /usr/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 00000000080482f0
IRC [10:26] <cacrus> libnsd.so: undefined reference to `compressBound'
IRC [10:26] <cacrus> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
IRC [10:26] <cacrus> make[1]: *** [nsd] Error 1
IRC [10:26] <cacrus> make[1]: Leaving directory `/software/nsadmin/32bitaolserver/aolserver/nsd'
IRC [10:26] <cacrus> sorry for pasting it here
IRC [10:27] <partymola> i don't worry if you paste here for the sake of a faster solution :)
IRC [10:29] <cacrus> I added --without-zlib and than got this :)
IRC [10:31] <cacrus> it seems the 32 bit thing wont work on amd opteron , as i can see some seruous errors , segmentation fault and a lot of incmpatibilities , was i right in doing --without-zlib ?
IRC [10:32] <partymola> cacrus: i have an opteron too, but I have the operating system and aolserver in 32 bits mode
IRC [10:33] <partymola> 64 bits gives too many troubles
IRC [10:33] <cacrus> How did u do that >
IRC [10:33] <cacrus> ?
IRC [10:33] <cacrus> have been trying to do that for a long time
IRC [10:33] <partymola> FreeBSD ... standard install is 32 bits lol
IRC [10:33] <cacrus> hehe
IRC [10:33] <cacrus> hmmm,
IRC [10:33] <partymola> simply download the 32 bits version of your distro
IRC [10:33] <partymola> and put a 32 bits kernel
IRC [10:33] <partymola> and 32 bits libraries
IRC [10:33] <partymola> simply don't install anything 64 bits
IRC [10:34] <partymola> and that's all
IRC [10:34] <cacrus> Oh so u are saying i install the 32 bit version on amd , yea thats a good idea
IRC [10:34] <partymola> yes
IRC [10:34] <partymola> and bye bye 64 bits problems
IRC [10:34] <cacrus> hmm , how come i never thought o fthought , actually u are right , and there is notng i do on these machines that would require 64 bit
IRC [10:35] <Dossy_> hmm, --without-zlib should actually probably stop and complain ...
IRC [10:35] <cacrus> yes this is th ecomlain heeh http://pastebin.com/d5bebb0c5
IRC [10:36] <cacrus> partymola: why u prefere freebsd ?
IRC [10:36] <partymola> it's a stronger system
IRC [10:36] <partymola> no constant updates
IRC [10:36] <partymola> no constant changes
IRC [10:37] <partymola> you make it work, and it'll work for years
IRC [10:37] <partymola> without changes
IRC [10:37] <cacrus> but does it ssupport all the new hardwares ?
IRC [10:37] <partymola> yep
IRC [10:37] <cacrus> SAS 2
IRC [10:37] <partymola> have you weird hardware?
IRC [10:37] <cacrus> multicore
IRC [10:37] <partymola> of course
IRC [10:37] <cacrus> cpus
IRC [10:37] <partymola> i told you i have it running on an opteron 64 bits
IRC [10:38] <partymola> multicore, 2 cpus
IRC [10:38] <partymola> with a SATA disc
IRC [10:38] <partymola> ethernet integrated card
IRC [10:38] <partymola> 1.5Gb RAM
IRC [10:39] <partymola> i have aolserver, postgresql, and many other things, on top of FreeBSD 6.2
IRC [10:39] <cacrus> i dont have expereince on freebsd , thas the only hickup
IRC [10:39] <cacrus> but i have heard praises about its stability
IRC [10:39] <partymola> yep, it simply works
IRC [10:39] <cacrus> i am not sure about performance differnce from linux new kernels
IRC [10:40] <partymola> if you have performance problems then worry about it... but if you have not, worry about the actual problems :)
IRC [10:40] <partymola> anyways, if you have more experience with linux
IRC [10:40] <partymola> then go for linux
IRC [10:40] <Dossy_> :-)
IRC [10:41] <cacrus> :) thanks i am about to out some more servers on production , might make one of them freebsd :)
IRC [10:41] <partymola> okee, gimme a shout if you need some help with it :)
IRC [10:41] <cacrus> I will , thanks
IRC [10:42] <partymola> and now go to install that 32 bits thing!
IRC [10:42] <cacrus> Dossy_: i will forget for now , the 32 bit compile on amd , as u can see the errors fro previous compile , i will isntall btoh normally tcl and aoslerver the cvs version on amd , and see if there is any issue .
IRC [10:43] <partymola> anyways, as I told you, Dossy, I really would want to get ppl focused in stability problems, and 64 bit issues, and everything that is needed to get that done.
IRC [10:47] <Dossy_> or, better yet--build everything on AMD as 64-bit and help find the problems :)
IRC [10:47] <Dossy_> cool
IRC [10:48] <cacrus> O i can do that too ,
IRC [10:48] <Dossy_> I'd like to hear about what doesn't actually work on 64-bit AOLserver...
IRC [10:49] <cacrus> i think its not about "not working" i think its mainly aboltu crashes , as i know that our server crashes every day
IRC [10:49] <cacrus> and i really need to address this ,
IRC [10:50] <Dossy_> definitely.
IRC [10:50] <cacrus> i can produce core dumps , but first i would want to have all the new version of software so that i am sure that known bugs are fixed , and then if they crash , i will reach you with core dumps :)
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IRC [11:07] <Dossy_> ok, got Planet Venus set up
IRC [11:07] <Dossy_> now adding subscriptions.
IRC [11:19] <partymola> :O
IRC [11:20] <partymola> where! where!
IRC [11:20] <Dossy_> http://dev.aolserver.com/planet
IRC [11:21] <partymola> we need planet.aolserver.com
IRC [11:22] <partymola> and u subscribed to wiki? lol
IRC [11:23] <Dossy_> yeah, to pick up the changes--if there ever are any :)
IRC [11:25] <partymola> ok, ok
IRC [11:25] <partymola> my blog posts are not being shown :(
IRC [11:27] <Dossy> no?
IRC [11:28] <partymola> no
IRC [11:28] <partymola> what feed did you subscribe to?
IRC [11:28] <Dossy_> http://juanjose.simpleoption.com/feed/atom/
IRC [11:28] <Dossy_> but, I filter the feeds
IRC [11:28] <Dossy_> >> filter = /AOLserver|Tcl|OpenACS|MySQL|PostgreS(QL)?/i
IRC [11:29] <Dossy_> that way non-related entries don't show up in the Planet feed
IRC [11:30] <partymola> ah, ok
IRC [11:30] <partymola> anyways, it's broken
IRC [11:30] <partymola> no posts appear
IRC [11:31] <Dossy_> huh?
IRC [11:31] <partymola> take a look http://juanjose.simpleoption.com/feed/
IRC [11:31] <partymola> September 1st: Writing tidier HTML code embedded within TCL
IRC [11:31] <partymola> that one should appear, isn't it?
IRC [11:33] <Dossy_> i wonder if it uses the title...
IRC [11:33] <Dossy_> but yeah, you do have entries that should show up
IRC [11:35] <partymola> if you prefer rss, u can do http://juanjose.simpleoption.com/feed/rss/
IRC [11:50] <Dossy_> yeah, maybe something is wrong with your atom feed -- weird
IRC [11:55] <partymola> atom looks like valid :S -> http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjuanjose.simpleoption.com%2Ffeed%2Fatom%2F
IRC [11:59] <Dossy_> hmm, wonder what the issue is then
IRC [11:59] <Dossy_> python regexp not matching for some reason ...
IRC [12:14] <partymola> incr $hate(python) 1000
IRC [12:14] <Dossy_> lol :)
IRC [12:14] <Dossy_> no $ :
IRC [12:14] <partymola> true :O
IRC [12:14] * partymola slaps himself
IRC [12:15] <partymola> back to study... these lineal programming problems need to be finished!
IRC [12:16] <Dossy_> oh, linear algebra?
IRC [12:16] <partymola> no, linear programming
IRC [12:16] <Dossy_> what is that?
IRC [12:16] <partymola> to solve production problems
IRC [12:16] <partymola> like factories
IRC [12:16] <Dossy_> hm
IRC [12:16] <partymola> a factory can produce two different products, each has a different production cost, and different production time
IRC [12:17] <partymola> and estimated sales of each product are x and y
IRC [12:17] <partymola> you have to maximize profit
IRC [12:17] <partymola> also for moving resources in transport nets
IRC [12:17] <partymola> simulations of systems, etc...
IRC [12:18] <partymola> i.e. a problem would be:
IRC [12:19] <Dossy_> sounds like the typical "a train leaves the station at 5:00 at 30 mph heading east. in 3 hours, how far will the train be from the station?
IRC [12:20] <Dossy_> >> <planet:message>internal server error</planet:message>
IRC [12:20] <Dossy_> i get that fetching your feed
IRC [12:20] <Dossy_> that's fetching the RSS
IRC [12:20] <partymola> You live in Fayetteville (FYV) and you have to go to Denver (DEN) the following 5 weeks. You leave FYV on Mondays, and return on Wednesday. A regular ticket (round trip) costs 400 dollars, but you're given 20% discount if there is a weekend between the depart and returning dates in the ticket. A single ticket in each direction costs 75% of the regular price. ¿How must you buy the tickets to spend the less possible?
IRC [12:21] <partymola> what url are you retrieving?
IRC [12:21] <Dossy_> http://juanjose.simpleoption.com/feed/rss/
IRC [12:22] <Dossy_> oh, i can't even get dns resolved for juanjose.simpleoption.com now
IRC [12:22] <partymola> so weird :S
IRC [12:22] *** holymoly joined the chat.
IRC [12:23] <Dossy_> something up with your DNS?
IRC [12:23] <Dossy_> hey, there we go
IRC [12:23] <Dossy_> working again
IRC [12:23] <partymola> yeah, something failed...
IRC [12:23] <partymola> idk what
IRC [12:24] <partymola> we've not DNS here... it's in atlanta :)
IRC [12:25] <partymola> still gives that error?
IRC [12:25] <Dossy_> let me see
IRC [12:27] <Dossy_> hey! there we go
IRC [12:28] <partymola> yay!
IRC [12:28] <partymola> i just registered in feedburner.com anyways lol
IRC [12:30] <partymola> but it's weird it's not giving the full text for entries :S
IRC [12:30] <Dossy_> ?
IRC [12:30] <partymola> oh, atom feed does (changing again and again LOL)
IRC [12:30] <Dossy_> you should configure your RSS with full entries
IRC [12:30] <partymola> you see my entries have no format
IRC [12:30] <partymola> go with atom better
IRC [12:31] <partymola> i have set full entries
IRC [12:31] <partymola> but only works for atom, not rss
IRC [12:31] <partymola> gee...
IRC [12:31] <Dossy_> I'll use your Atom feed
IRC [12:31] <partymola> remove the rss/ part
IRC [12:31] <partymola> i am growing hate towards wordpress...
IRC [12:32] <partymola> ok, it works now!
IRC [12:37] <partymola> so it turned to be my hosting company's fault
IRC [12:37] <partymola> sorry for the troubles, dossy ;)
IRC [12:38] <Dossy_> no worries
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IRC [13:06] <Dossy_> welcome back, cacrus
IRC [13:11] <cacrus> Thanks! :)
IRC [13:12] <partymola> cacrus: http://dev.aolserver.com/planet/ !! :D
IRC [13:13] <partymola> anyways, if you can set-up planet.aolserver.com... that'll be a lot better
IRC [13:13] <partymola> or aolserver.com/planet
IRC [13:13] <cacrus> Thanks Dossy , great initiative again ,
IRC [13:14] <Dossy_> partymola: yeah, if folks start using the planet, I'll request the DNS entry
IRC [13:14] <Dossy_> i can put it at aolserver.com/planet
IRC [13:15] <Dossy_> but for now, I'd rather it be on dev.aolserver.com--since I'm just playing with it
IRC [13:15] <partymola> ok
IRC [13:15] <cacrus> So how are we suppose to make contributions and what you expect from the aolserver community to post there .
IRC [13:15] <partymola> cacrus: it's linked to rss feeds of many ppl that use aolserver and tcl
IRC [13:15] <Dossy_> cacrus, I have no expectations. If you have a blog you want me to add to the planet subscriptions list (that it will poll for updates), just let me know your feed URL.
IRC [13:15] <partymola> when we post at our blogs, it'll appear there
IRC [13:16] <Dossy_> as long as your entry matches the regexp "(?i)(AOLserver|Tcl|OpenACS|MySQL|PostgreS(QL)?)" it'll be included
IRC [13:16] <partymola> yep, posts are filtered
IRC [13:16] <partymola> so we'll have one source for aolserver news
IRC [13:16] <cacrus> Great , I will post my aolserver and google performance tools benchmark
IRC [13:16] <cacrus> i dont have them in blog , i have them at scribd ,
IRC [13:17] <Dossy_> hmm
IRC [13:17] <Dossy_> if you want, I can post something about it on my blog if you don't have one
IRC [13:17] <partymola> no, i will lol X'D
IRC [13:17] <Dossy_> cool, that'd be better :)
IRC [13:18] <Dossy_> I'd like others to do what they can so it doesn't look like I'm doing everything ...
IRC [13:18] <cacrus> I dont have a blog , but i think i should setup one
IRC [13:18] <cacrus> i think i have an old one at blohspot
IRC [13:18] <partymola> ah! Dossy surrendered so easily D:
IRC [13:18] <cacrus> blogspot
IRC [13:18] <Dossy_> partymola: I'd surrender everything if someone else would take over :)
IRC [13:18] <cacrus> hehe
IRC [13:18] <Dossy_> yeah, blogspot works as a start--but if you're at all serious you should just set one up on your own domain somewhere
IRC [13:18] <partymola> *Note to myself: do not takeover others jobs LOL*
IRC [13:19] <Dossy> VERSION
IRC [13:19] <Dossy_> heh
IRC [13:20] <partymola> cacrus: if you have your own domain... you can get wordpress working in a matter of minutes :)
IRC [13:20] <cacrus> yes i have played with woprdpress
IRC [13:21] <Dossy_> so, who figures I'm going to get chewed out for setting up the Planet without "consulting the community first"?
IRC [13:21] <cacrus> hehe , i think the activity on this will give the verdict itself
IRC [13:22] * cacrus away
IRC [13:23] <partymola> i replied to your e-mail in the list... i hope the subscribers get "infected" by my tone and makes them not to continue flaming...
IRC [13:30] <partymola> by the way... the mysql plugin is pretty curious, Dossy_
IRC [13:30] <partymola> so bad I use Postgres ;P
IRC [13:56] <Dossy_> well, postgres already has pg/tcl right?
IRC [13:58] <partymola> yep, but i mean i can't help u with your piece of software :)
IRC [13:59] <Dossy_> oh, no worries :)
IRC [14:03] * cacrus back
IRC [14:03] <partymola> welcome back cacrus :)
IRC [14:04] <cacrus> thanks
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IRC [20:51] <partymola> lots of posts in the mailing list, eh ? :)
IRC [20:52] <Dossy_> yeah. there's life in the coffin, apparently
IRC [20:53] <partymola> LOL that was very sarcastic... even for you X'D
IRC [20:53] <Dossy_> heh