2008/04/23
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IRC [11:44] <Dossy> Good morning, everyone.
IRC [11:44] <Dossy> Or, good afternoon/evening, as appropriate for some of you :)
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IRC [13:41] <Alethes> I'm running into an issue with file sizes in the access log showing a random number that always starts wtih 42949
IRC [13:41] <Alethes> most of the time the file size is correct, but it seems to randomly show this number for just about anything
IRC [13:41] <partymola> for any size?
IRC [13:41] <Alethes> any client, any page, 404s, 302s and 200s
IRC [13:41] <Alethes> yeah
IRC [13:41] <partymola> weird :/
IRC [13:41] <partymola> .adp files
IRC [13:42] <partymola> or static files too?
IRC [13:42] <Alethes> a page might show a number like 4294967022, then when you load it, it shows the correct number
IRC [13:42] <Alethes> adp, presumably
IRC [13:42] <Alethes> that's all we've tested it on
IRC [13:42] <Alethes> Dave Bauer confirmed he's seen this issue
IRC [13:42] <partymola> I have never seen it
IRC [13:42] <partymola> if there is not a bug opened for it, you'd open one :)
IRC [13:42] <Alethes> we have the problem on multiple installs and on multiple servers
IRC [13:43] <partymola> 4.5 ?
IRC [13:43] <Alethes> 4.0.10
IRC [13:43] <partymola> if i were you, i'd open a bug report at http://dev.aolserver.com/trac/wiki/TracSupport
IRC [13:43] <partymola> and then report it to the mailing list too
IRC [13:44] <partymola> i have not had that problem with 4.5
IRC [13:44] <partymola> so i guess it's a 4.0 bug
IRC [13:44] <partymola> i am sorry i can't be of more help to you
IRC [13:44] <Alethes> yeah, but 4.5 has a bunch of other problems that make it impossible to switch
IRC [13:44] <Alethes> oh well
IRC [13:45] <partymola> i know, i know, going from 4.0 to 4.5 can be almost impossible :)
IRC [13:45] <Alethes> kinda makes stats apps useless though
IRC [13:45] <partymola> well, you can discard those numbers
IRC [13:45] <partymola> or it happens too often?
IRC [13:46] <partymola> what % of cases? 1%? 50%?
IRC [13:46] <Alethes> hmm
IRC [13:47] <Alethes> I tend to think it's a pretty low number
IRC [13:48] <partymola> well, report it
IRC [13:48] <partymola> and let's see who'll end up catching the bug :)
IRC [13:50] <Alethes> trac is confusing
IRC [13:51] <Alethes> I can't find where to submit a ticket
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IRC [13:55] <Alethes> http://dev.aolserver.com/trac/ticket/182
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IRC [15:21] <Dossy> Hi, Rick!
IRC [15:21] <Dossy> And, who is EvilOtto? :)
IRC [15:21] <Dossy> Alethes, the file size bug has been an issue for a long time - unfortunately - it has to do with the way AOLserver counts "bytes sent" and tries to subtract the HTTP header bytes from it - or something.
IRC [15:22] <EvilOtto> the bouncing smiley face in berzerk, of course!
IRC [15:22] <Alethes> Dossy: is it fixable?
IRC [15:22] <Dossy> Yeah, don't submit bugs into Trac yet - I don't think we've all "agreed" to cut over to it 100%.
IRC [15:22] <EvilOtto> (or Jeff Rogers)
IRC [15:22] <Dossy> Alethes: It had better be ... :) I don't have the fix in my head, though.
IRC [15:23] <Alethes> any ideas for a work around?
IRC [15:23] <Alethes> other than ignoring that data?
IRC [15:23] <Dossy> EvilOtto, OMG - Berzerk - yes, LOL - I forgot all about that. WOW, flashbacks ...
IRC [15:24] <Dossy> Alethes: Not really ... it just needs to be fixed, but ... nobody seems to care _that_ much about bytes sent in the logs any more. I mean, who actually looks at that data any more?
IRC [15:24] <Alethes> every log analyzer
IRC [15:24] <Alethes> that seems to think terrabytes of data are being sent daily
IRC [15:24] <Dossy> Who runs log analyzers any more?! LOL.
IRC [15:24] <Dossy> wow. how 1999. :)
IRC [15:24] <Alethes> everybody I know
IRC [15:24] <Dossy> Really? I guess for small sites, yeah...
IRC [15:26] <KNReC> hi
IRC [15:26] <KNReC> no idea who evilOtto is
IRC [15:26] <Dossy> KNReC: It's not a hotbed of action on IRC, but there are a good number of regulars who idle here.
IRC [15:27] <Dossy> EvilOtto is 'Jesus' Jeff Rogers :-)
IRC [15:28] <Dossy> bot, dossy?
IRC [16:16] <EvilOtto> hrm, this is odd. I was avoiding doing real work and poking at that negative content-length in the logs bug and I inadvertently crashed my server by calling ns_returnredirect in an adp and letting it fall off the end (not calling ns_adp_abort or anything. The entire adp is "<% ns_returnredirect / %>"). It segfaults inside NsAdpLogError trying to say "adp flush failed: connection closed"...
IRC [16:16] <EvilOtto> ...because there's no frame. This isn't a fresh build so there may be some library weirdness but it doesn't look like that kind of error. It also doesn't look like the redirection bug mentioned in the motd.
IRC [16:27] <EvilOtto> fresh build from cvs checkout segvs too
IRC [16:31] <EvilOtto> hell, this time it worked. Maybe it was a bad library path...
IRC [16:43] <EvilOtto> ah, checked the cvs, I'm not high there was a bug, its fixed in cvs HEAD. no idea why my first fresh build died (I must've run the wrong build or something). Oh well, works now.
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IRC [17:07] <Dossy> EvilOtto: CVS HEAD?
IRC [17:07] <Dossy> heh
IRC [17:07] <Dossy> I'm gonna try to document a step-by-step HOWTO on getting a stack trace on Win32 with WinDbg. This ought to be fun.
IRC [17:25] <EvilOtto> the ntsd command line seems about as easy as the gdb command line. Or maybe I'm thinking of debug.exe :)
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IRC [17:38] <Dossy> hi, Daniel!
IRC [17:38] <Mooooooo> hey Dossy
IRC [17:38] <Dossy> wow, 12 people in here!
IRC [17:38] <Mooooooo> :)
IRC [17:38] <Mooooooo> glad ya spoke, i was about to put ya on ignore ;)
IRC [17:38] <Mooooooo> thought it was just a bot
IRC [17:38] <Dossy> ha.
IRC [17:39] <Dossy> <-- bot.
IRC [17:39] <Mooooooo> might want to change your /msg to a /notice
IRC [17:39] <Dossy> yeah, I thought about that. let me go do that.
IRC [17:39] <Dossy> One sec, gonna test.
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IRC [17:39] <Mooooooo> cool
IRC [17:39] <Dossy> Or, you could. :)
IRC [17:40] <Mooooooo> worked
IRC [17:40] <Dossy> thanks.
IRC [17:40] <Mooooooo> you still at AOL?
IRC [17:40] <Dossy> Nope. Haven't been since November 2006.
IRC [17:40] <Mooooooo> wow
IRC [17:40] <Dossy> Wow ... what?
IRC [17:40] <Mooooooo> long time
IRC [17:41] <Mooooooo> do they even have a dev team anymore?
IRC [17:41] <Dossy> Oh, I guess. Time just flies ...
IRC [17:41] <Dossy> That works on AOLserver? Not that I'm aware of, no.
IRC [17:41] <Mooooooo> noticed the other day they were still on 4.0.10
IRC [17:41] <Mooooooo> but then again, all my servers are too
IRC [17:44] <Dossy> yup.
IRC [17:45] <Mooooooo> was talking that over with co-worker the other day
IRC [17:45] <Mooooooo> he is a Drupal and PHP guy. scrambles every few months to upgrade everything and fix all the things the upgrades break
IRC [17:46] <Mooooooo> all the aolserver systems haven't even been rebooted in years
IRC [17:47] <Mooooooo> sadly had to move my personal site over to php though
IRC [17:47] <Dossy> heh
IRC [17:48] <Mooooooo> godaddy doesn't do tcl
IRC [17:48] <Dossy> yeah, I'm thinking about pushing my dossy.org blog into WordPress which is PHP
IRC [17:48] <Mooooooo> i did my own cms since none did exactly what i wanted
IRC [17:48] <Dossy> heh
IRC [17:49] <Mooooooo> http://saidsimple.com/
IRC [17:49] <Mooooooo> came out good
IRC [17:49] <Dossy> I bet we could all share a dedicated server somewhere.
IRC [17:49] <Dossy> yeah, looks great - curious to see screenshots of the editing interface, heh
IRC [17:50] <Mooooooo> let me grab one
IRC [17:50] <Dossy> You just need to implement RSS on your blogs. That's about all I'd ask for. :)
IRC [17:50] <Dossy> Is this all based on OpenACS?
IRC [17:51] <Mooooooo> nope, this is PHP
IRC [17:51] <Mooooooo> http://saidsimple.com/index.rss
IRC [17:51] <Mooooooo> http://saidsimple.com/blogs/daniel/index.rss
IRC [17:52] <Mooooooo> it was tcl before i took all my hosting off my employers network
IRC [17:53] <Dossy> ah, you have RSS. hmm
IRC [17:53] <Mooooooo> just never got around to publishing the feeds
IRC [17:53] <Dossy> ah, you don't have it in your <head> on http://saidsimple.com/blogs/daniel, so there's no way to know
IRC [17:53] <Mooooooo> yeah
IRC [17:54] <Dossy> <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0" href="http://saidsimple.com/blogs/daniel/index.rss">
IRC [17:54] <Mooooooo> yep
IRC [17:54] <Dossy> add that :)
IRC [17:54] <Mooooooo> used to have it
IRC [17:57] <Mooooooo> noticed there were tons of crawlers grabbing it way more often than they should and i wasn't sure about my bandwidth usage at the time so i commented out the code
IRC [17:57] <Dossy> oh. bummer.
IRC [18:00] <partymola> Mooooooo: you can put the .rss in your robots.txt file, so it won't get crawled :)
IRC [18:00] <Mooooooo> ah, hadn't thought about that
IRC [18:01] <Dossy> but, getting your RSS crawled is better than getting your site crawled :)
IRC [18:01] <Dossy> because presumably the RSS is much more compact - no presentation markup
IRC [18:01] <Mooooooo> true
IRC [18:01] <partymola> definitely, yes
IRC [18:01] <partymola> but who wants to read a rss?
IRC [18:01] <partymola> if u r directed to a rss
IRC [18:01] <Dossy> I'd rather a robot pull my RSS every hour, but crawl my site once a day.
IRC [18:01] <partymola> you'll probably press the back button xD
IRC [18:01] <partymola> i moved a site to a different url like a year ago
IRC [18:02] <partymola> and until 2-3 weeks ago
IRC [18:02] <Dossy> partymola: the idea is a robot pulls the rss to detect changes
IRC [18:02] <partymola> robots were still trying to crawl the old rss feed :/
IRC [18:08] <Dossy> OK, gonna go idle - gotta sort out dinner for the kids.
IRC [18:08] <Mooooooo> seeyas
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