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"Proof" of Common Ancestor Evolution

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! Warning

"The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." - 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

or:

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4

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Note: This is a primordial set of notes. I have yet to begin any kind of reply.

Starting with DonExodus2's stuff on Youtube.


! Neanderthal Mitochondrial DNA
* Supposedly had music, art, etc.
* DNA sequence shows not-human
* x [Neanderthal-time modern teeth in Asia|http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11618814]
* x [Present in current genome|http://www.inewscatcher.com/2010/05/neanderthal-neanderthal-still-live-on-in-the-present-humans.html]

! Chromosomal Fusion
* Humans, 23 pairs; Primates, 24 pairs
* ∴ fused
** Telomeres @ ends of chromosomes fuse two chromosomes together, yielding a pair of centromeres (one inactive)
** Chromosome #2 is fused 114455823 to 114455848
** Telomeric duplication
* x "Casey Luskin" rebuttal

! Endogenous Retroviral DNA (E.R.V.)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0#t=8m
* Virus deactivated, integrated into sperm DNA (which is then passed on)
* 4% of human DNA is viral DNA (human genome = 3 billion base-pairs long)
* "Independent validation of the phylo-genetic tree of evolution"

! Summation
* Evolutionary Ecology
* Paleontology
* Comparative Anatomy,
** Comparing, e.g.,
*** brains of: parrots, hummingbirds, songbirds, humans ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvX_mD5weM#t=4m09s )
**** Bones of human, cat, whale, horse, etc. appendages
***** Subtle variations of BMP4 affect (Wait, doesn't this simply demonstrate an interesting thing about creation?)

! Embryology
* Organisms passing through stages characteristic of predecessors, e.g.:
** Humans having gill slits, tail
** Won't find non-mammalian that has nipples during development
* 'Wiki "protostome" or "cleavage embryo" and go from there.'
* Developmental Genetics
** pubmed.com - Nucleotide sequences
http://img227.imageshack.us/i/phylogenictreetf8.jpg/
** Metabolic "field guide"
** 16S typing, [Jaccard's coefficient|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvX_mD5weM#t=7m20s]
* Mutation Studies
* Transmission Genetics,
* Population & Quantitative Genetics
* Fossil record
** Predicts that we will never find a poodle from the Permian layer
** Simpler lifeforms at lower strata, more complex at higher
** [Strata vs. Relative depth|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K11knFKqW4s#t=4m] (something creationists often confuse)
*** Pangaea + fossil pattern
**** "Will never find a complex mammal fossil on an island, because the continents broke up before mammals evolved"

* x http://creation.com/genesis-and-haeckel
** [DonExodus2 replies|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FajAkmaswc] - Basically, that Haeckel was drawing "caricatures"

! Geology
* Strata
** x [Creation-Evolution "Encyclopedia" on Fossils/Strata|http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/12fos01.htm] - Sketchy, but not bad starting point (especially its [19 problems page|http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/12fos03.htm])

! Fossil Records
[DonExodus2 on Fossil Records|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8]
* There are certain characteristics which are only found in mammals, for example: Mammary glands, Hair, Warm-blooded, Nipples, Placental Young. ... Pelage, Ears, Diaphragm, [...etc. Obviously 100% taken from here|http://www.shsu.edu/~bio_mlt/mammals.html].
* Same goes for reptiles, birds, etc.
* To disprove evolution: Find a mammal with feathers, or a reptile with nipples (even if just during development)
* [The Beloved Phylogenetic Tree|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8#t=1m49s]
* [Identical Tree Confirmed in Fossil Record|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8t=1m56s]
* Osteolepiforms -> Lungfish -> Ichtyostega
* Eusthenopteron
** Fish-like, but with characteristics only in tetrapods: Internal nostrils, labyrithodont teeth, two-part cranium, intracranial joint)
** Begin to see development of distinct arm and leg bones (humerus, ulna, radius; tibia femur fibula)
* Panderichthys
** Still fish-like, but now beginning to see tetrapod head develop
** Also had pelvic girdle (instrumental in supporting the developing limbs), spiracles on top of head (breathing tubes -- allowed it to breathe while submerged in mud)
* Beloved Tiktaalik
** Fins have basic wrist bones and simple fingers, showing that they were weight-bearing
** Fish: gills, scales
** Fishapod: half-fish, half-tetrapod limb bones and joints (including functional wrist joint and radiating fish-like fins instead of toes), ear region
** Tetrapod: rib bones, mobile neck, lungs
*** Says Jonathan Sarfati fails to rebut (@4m36s)
* Icthyostega
** Skeletal modifications: loss of posttemporal and supracleithral bones from pectoral girdle; enlargement of scapulocoracoid; new bones (pubis, ischia, ilia) in pelvic girdle; articulating surfaces on neural arches; rib cage and sternum
** Fish-like: lateral line system, notochord, gills, finned tail
* Temnospondyls (other fish->amphibians)
** Eryops and Cacops
** Branchiosaurus
* Anthracosaus - Ancestral line to the reptiles (includes Diadectes)
* Plus: Cheirolepis, Osteolepis, Eusthenopteron (and other rhipidistian crossopterygian fish), Icthyostega ^[Wait---he did elaborate on that.^], Ichtyostegopsis, Pholidogaster, Pteroplax, ...
* Amphibian -> Reptiles. Need to develop: Amniotic Egg, Ability to convert ammonia -> Urea, Waterproof skin, Lungs inflated by expansion of the rib cage, Partial septum in the ventricle
* [Find a single amniote|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8#t=6m36s] without one of these to disprove evolution: Premaxilla with palatal, maxillary & nasal processes; frontal contacts orbit; various patterns of fenestration related to additional musculature for jaw from dermal skull [...etc, obviously taken from here|http://www.palaeos.org/Amniota#Characters].
* [Seymouria|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8#t=6m44s] - Classic labyrinthodont skull and teeth, with reptilian vertebrae, pelvis, humerus, and digits; amphibian-like (labeled on creationism.org as a dragon).
* Hylonomus, Limnoscelis - Slightly amphibian skull (e.g., with amphibian pineal opening), with rest of skeleton classically reptilian.
* Cotylosaurs - Gave rise to many reptile groups of tremendous variety (transitions to anapsid reptiles, euryapsid reptiles, or the lepidosaurs (turtles, plesiosaurs, lizards/snakes))
* Synapsid reptiles - Gave rise to mammals and archosaur reptiles (which gave rise to birds)
* [Sophomoric taunting|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8#t=7m49s]

! Argument by Education Statistics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvX_mD5weM#t=9m51s (lame)


! Atavisms
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K11knFKqW4s
** Mammals, birds can re-display reptile properties, but mammals-birds never cross over + predicting (e.g., never find a half-bird, half-mammal)
** tails, extra nipples

! Transitional Fossils:
* [Whales/Dolphins|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K12knFKqW4s#t=7m]
** "From 4-legged land mammals"
** Nostrils moving up toward top
** Inner ear transitioning from land-tuned to water-tuned
** Hind-legs/Fins devolving/evolving
** Echolocation

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! Stuff to Think about

["Evolution's Hall of Shame"|http://yecheadquarters.com/shame.html] - Some goofy stuff, but some potent stuff.
[Johnathan Safarti (part 1)|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJMMpTgDDo] - http://creation.com - Ark feasibility; natural selection = narrowing more than widening
[Johnathan Safarti (part 2)|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq-jFb-MIGw] - Mutations are very predominantly bad; circularity of "scientists are common-ancestor evolutionists"; various philosophical single-shot Q/A

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